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How many people showed up to Rigondeaux's debut?? Shiming filled up an entire venue and had potential of having 300 million tv viewers from China. He has already accomplished more in popularity than Rigo, who can't sell a ticket crickets everywhere when he fights.

That has nothing to do with the thread. Really, you need learn to read with understanding. "Debut/skill set" is in the thread title. Obviously Shimings debut was more impressive than Rigondeaux, since he filled up an entire arena while Rigo debut in a bingo hall looking hotel room. That's the only decisive comparison between the two. We can't compare skills sets yet from just 1 fight, the sample size is too small.

Boxing has always had different fans. Fans who choose and dismantle every aspect of a fighter. This sport is unlike any other sport in the aspect every opponent is stylistically different or physically different from the last. From fighting the aggressive brawler (Rios,Donaire, Pascal Haye), to the counter puncher/technician (Mayweather, Rigondeaux, Klitschkos, Ward), to the all around boxer puncher (Broner, Garcia, Froch). Different approaches of standup skills is what makes the sport, as well as heart, and will. Like seen in corrent fights Rios/Alvarado, Bradley/Ruslan and Rigondeaux/Donaire; all three though presented sometimes similar the approach and execution is what won them their fights. People continually say "Styles makes Fights" well "Styles makes Fighters". Example: Mike Tyson (Known for his ruthless aggression), Floy Mayweather (Defensive specialist), Julio Cesar Chavez (Aggressive), Bernard Hopkins (Defensive specialist), Ray Robinson (aggressive boxer puncher), Manny Pacquiao (aggressive), Pernell Whitaker (Defensive Specialist) And all considered HOF fighters with their perticular style. Somehow though a smart 34 year old, just turned pro after theost glorified amateur career... Fights his fight, causes frustration from his opponent, causes his opponent to throw less than 200 punchs, gets him to connect at a low 20+% and it was a boring boxing match. Aggression has never won fights unless the aggression was hurting the opponent in the fight but was not seen. Yet because of another's approach (Though used very well and was controlling the fight), was losing. In a sport full of Criticism, the hypocrisy will never change but will the general knowledge of the sport grow? Yet to be seen, in the last 100 year's of the amazing sport! In other words, it's easier for the counterpuncher than the aggressive fighter. Great counterpunchers are a dime a dozen, while the great aggressive fighters are rare and special, they're the ones who attract the crowd. I always find it funny that when great brawlers or boxer punchers counterpunch, the naysayers say "he only likes fighters coming forward". Isn't that what counterpunchers like as well?:thinking: However, when a counterpuncher tries to be aggressive and gets knocked down, the apologists say, "lucky punch or why is he fighting stupid or that's not what he does". And all you have to do is look at JMM(Marquez), excellent counterpuncher, but when he tries being aggressive he got Knocked down against Katsidis and Floyd. He has problems against other counterpunchers, Chris John and Floyd. Counterpunchers always need great aggressive brawlers or boxer puncher to make them look good. The other two can make explosive fights, knock you out going backwards or forward, they can create their own offense and take risks. The counterpuncher needs a dance partner to make their fight exciting.

Arum knows what's he doing, he went through this before when he promoted Marquez the first time around, even keeping him away from his cash cows, Morales and Barrera. Marquez had to change his style and take more risks in order to attract the fans and the big fights. Rigo has to change as well because he can't sell a ticket to casual fans. Zou Shiming has less power then Rigo but he can sell tickets to the rich businessmen in China, so Arum hypes him up. Rigo has not proven to sell tickets, even in Miami where he headlined bingo hall looking arenas, and Rigo can't fight at his home in Cuba. So, it's all about business.

I think Roach just wanted to motivate him. It worked for the 11th and 12th rounds. Besides, Roach is on a losing streak in Championship fights, his rep as a trainer has taken a hit. It seems not even a "Lucky Boy" or the Luck of the Irish can help Roach get back to his "Trainer of the Year" status tonight. He is desperate for his fighters to win.

So who defeated Floyd at 147 to take his Lineal Championship? Also, he has the WBC belt and defeated the WBA Champ Shane Mosely. If he defeats the Guerrero, who defeated the IBF Champ Berto, then he deserves the Ring Belt. The WBO belt is in dispute because of Bradley and Marquez. Floyd clearly is still lineal champ having claims at 3 out 4 WW titles.

He retired Nobody is disputing floyd being #1 at 147, thats given. Its Guerreros being #3 at 147 that people have a problem with Ali retired in July 27, 1979, he didn't lose his Ring Belt until he lost to Larry Holmes in October 1980, coming back from retirement. He also held the Ring title when he was banned from boxing in Feb 1967 to Oct 1970, over 3 years being the ring champ without fighting. Therefore, I still consider Floyd the lineal champ at 147 with or without a Ring Belt. All of his fights are for the lineal championship in my view, even if he moved away from the weight class(Henry Armstrong had a couple of Ring belts at different weights at the same time), retired or away from boxing like Ali.

What's the issue? Floyd is already the lineal champ at 147 after beating Baldomir. He's the only one with a claim to it, even after retiring. He's the "man" at 147.

Why? He is a great champion whose career will be discusses a lot over the next few days. Like it or not, death will bring a lot of attention to the man. Great question TS. Call old fashioned. I just don't approve of Westboro Baptist Church type threads, however slight. No matter how subtle the topic is, it is still criticism of a recently deceased person. No matter how you or anyone else respectfully answers the question, it is still criticism of a recently deceased person, who does not deserved to be evaluated right at this moment.

He's a future "Trainer of the Year" after his fight career is over. He seemed very natural and comfortable giving clear and understandable instructions.

She had Mares/Agbeko a draw at 113-113 Molina/Lara a draw at 115-115 Khan over Maidana 114-111 Holt over Tackie 95-95 (other 2 had it 98-92, I didn't see the fight) Mares-Agbeko 1 and Khan vs Maidana were close fights. I thought Agbeko should have won if it weren't for the knockdown and low blow and Khan clearly won. The Bradley-Pacquiao and Floyd-Canelo scores were terrible, she shouldn't be allowed to judge Championship and high profile bouts anymore.

Why do you show NO respect for fighters? The man just died and his name is dragged into a ****ing debate over todays fighters!!! Are you people that insensitive or dumb or BOTH!!! Grow ****ing up!!!!! Ray Great Post! This thread is trolling at its worst, especially for a class act like Ken Norton. TS could have picked some other time to debate his legacy, but had to stir the pot in a potentially negative way after the Hall of Famer died. Really really bad timing and insensitive. Rest in Peace Champ!

From ESPN.com news services: Ross sent an email to the Nevada Athletic Commission that read: "I will be taking some time off from boxing but will keep in touch," according to a tweet from The Las Vegas Journal... He agreed that that was a great avenue to take," NAC executive director Keith Kizer said, according to 8 News NOW. She isn't stepping down, she's taking a vacation. She didn't retire or resign at all, but more likely taking a break to allow things to cool over. There is nothing preventing her from applying for a judging license in the future.

This is the case, almost every time a past prime fighter or ex-champ is used to pad another fighter's record. The better mic skills these ex-champs have the more fights they get, for example, Ricardo Mayorga and Zab Judah. But really, the perceived or the illusion of a challenge sells fight.

You really cant compare the 2 since bradley was mainly getting hit in the head while alvarado was getting destroyed by bodyshots which immobilizes him Also, I think people forgot that Provodnikov gassed in the middle rounds with Bradley. He took his time at a sustained pace with Alvarado and didn't look tired at any point. So, I think Alvarado took the harder shots throughout the fight compared to Bradley.

At least we know Andre Ward wants to defend his title overseas unlike his promoter Goossen Tutor. He still would have won the super six anyways, but it would have been nice to see him fight outside the U.S.A. As everyone knows, it is tougher to get a decision outside of home and I would like to see what adjustments, if any, he'll make in hostile territory.

They should all be banned 1-2 years to get the Roids out of their system. Unfortunately, boxing doesn't have a central drug testing body in the USA like they do in the UK. All the commissions, promoters, and boxers should get together and pick an independent one to administer tests to all the fighters year round. They'll have to agree to abide by doping administration's decision on bans.

The California State Athletic Commission has suspended Tarver and also fined him $2500. Tarver earned $1.1 million for his fight with Kayode, the result of which will be changed from a draw to a no-decision. They should change it to a Loss for Tarver. A Draw to a No Decision is practically the same thing, unless he's stripped of his title. Besides, I had Kayode winning.

wow its ok, dont have a ****.....this is my only account...You can agree or disagree, but as for me because of his ardent fans Manny Pacquiao is the most overrated fighter of the past 25 years....as i also clearly stated before he is one of the best, just not the best....I explained why without slandering his accomplishments but I guess I dont know **** about boxing since Manny Pacquaio aint the best fighter of all time in my eyes...LOL....he aint even the best fighter of his era in my opinion....YES MY OPINION All fans Overrate their favorite fighters, that's why fan is short for fanatics. Win or lose, do or die, a true fan will support their favorite no matter what. If you think about overrated, Lucian Bute definitely comes to mind. Imagine that he was rated above Andre Ward as the best Super Middleweight even though he hasn't been tested in the ring. It usually happens to the up and coming boxers, until they face tough competition its mostly hype.

yal are sad.....who beat more champions...he aint even fought Bradley yet LOL...officially he only beat Marquez twice...for sure not clearly lol...rofl read the name of the thread fan boys so Mayweather hasnt beat more champions than Pacquiao?? its not blasphemy to see facts sad man....only on a boxing forum Thread: whho has beaten the most champions and titlist in the p4p top ten? If you want to based on p4p.. Pac had Barrera (1) Morales (2X) Marquez (3X) Cotto Hatton Bradley Floyd had Castillo Corales Hatton Mosley Marquez That's 9 P4P ranked fighters for Pac compared to Floyd's 5.. Although not accurate, this is actually a close answer to the Thread Question. The thread starter should have wrote, "Who in the CURRENT p4p top ten has been beaten the most champions and titlist?" Then, his answer of Floyd Mayweather would be correct. therealpugilist needs to clarify things in the post section instead of "hmm...". I recommend that it gets edited to dispel the confusion.

it must really kill you to stay on topic...but im going to entertain you...so both Judah and Baldomir were never lineal or undisputed champions at 147....how are they paper champions???? I cant disputed Many has won 4 lineal titles and Mayweather has won 3......but again who has beaten more champions???? it hurts doesnt it sad, but true Actually, both of you guys are getting things half correct and half wrong again. Judah was a paper champ when Mayweather defeated him. Baldomir defeated Judah to become the lineal champ at 147 on January 2006. Baldomir only paid sanctioning fees for the WBC belt that Judah held. Thus, Judah kept the IBF belt although he lost Baldomir. So when Mayweather defeated Judah for the IBF title on April 2006, Judah was essentially a paper champ. However, no one can dispute that Baldomir was the "Lineal Champ" when Mayweather defeated him.

Grats on making another thread about it, instead of posting IN that thread. reported and lmao @ punchville just continues embarrass himself over and over. Don't forget to report yourself for doing the same thing by making this exact thread topic in the Lounge.

Is he fucking with us again? I'm guessing Dancing with the Stars or Rupaul's Drag Show.

its a 15min video.....to long Just 1 minute of actual fight footage, the rest of the 14 minutes are black screen comments and slow motion repeat of the live footage. It's a 36 minute fight and the poster can only find 1 minute of non-repetitive film to complain about.

I don't like the idea of a single elimination tournament because STYLES makes Fights, GBP might give Canelo the Easiest Path to the Championship, it doesn't eliminate Triangle Theories, and fighters occasionally have bad nights. I think a Double Elimination Tournament, the one with a Losers bracket, will be more fair for everyone involved if not a Round Robin, which is the fairest since everyone fights each other.

No wonder Vitali got hacked, he is stirring things up in Ukraine and asking the people "to unite in order to punch". Here is an article from CNN: Link and Title: Ukraine police accused of violent crackdown on pro-EU protests (CNN) -- Some 10,000 demonstrators against the Ukraine's decision to not sign a landmark trade deal with the European Union descended on a square outside a monastery early Saturday in response to a police crackdown on the earlier protests. The emboldened demonstrators waved Ukrainian and EU flags and sang the national anthem outside the St. Michael's Golden-Domed Monastery, where groups of protesters retreated earlier after a sweep by riot police left seven people hospitalized and dozens under arrest at Independence Square. Three top opposition leaders called for resignation of President Viktor Yanukovych as well as new presidential and parliamentary elections, according to a statement released by Vitaliy Klitchko, Arseniy Yatsenyuk and Oleg Tyagnybok. "We have to unite in order to punch," said Klitschko, a Ukrainian boxer and opposition leader. "We have to unite all together. I alone will not be able to do it...We will not be able to do anything without the support of the people. We have to unite." Chants of "Knockout the criminal!" rose from the square.

Larry Merchant said it best in the Top Rank commentary of the fight, "hitting comes first" after his "boxing is about hitting and not get hit" comment. Floyd is a "not get hit" first and foremost while Pacquiao is clearly a hit first fighter. Therefore, Pacquiao has more exciting one-sided victories.

It is a mismatch but with a spectacular KO waiting to happen. I prefer an action packed 4 rounds than a dominant 12 round patty cake mismatch. So I'm ordering this PPV.

The Argentinian fans can't even complain "robbery", Casimero clearly stopped him with 3 consecutive knockdowns. Lazarte's fans at the basketball gym are just sore and drunken losers by getting upset when their guy lost fair and square.

I don't think he'll get booed because most of his "haters" will not go to the fight. But for those who go, if Pacquiao gets a knockout win, then the crowd will definitely cheer for him. A decision win he might get booed.