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So now people are upset because Beiber has little teens putting money in Floyds pocket?? Wow

I honestly dont see Sergio taking the fight! I have seen nothing that would convince me that he his willing to move up in weight (even at a catchweight) to face anybody. The only thing that constantly comes out of his mouth is moving down in weight. Next- Where would this fight take place? If this fight takes place in England, I dont see Sergio surviving (catchweight or not). More than likely, thats where it will take place so it could generate the money

Is that right?? I've never really heard him mention anything about 147. Do you have a link to prove these raging accusations??:?!: LOL C'Mon man. You know exactly what he means. LOL

Can someone really help me understand something: Since many like to say Floyd ducked people like Margarito and Paul Williams- After Margo lost a fight in 2004, who did he fight that was worth anything? When he finally fought a live foe in Paul Williams (in July 2007 right after Floyd beat Oscar), Margo got whipped. Then Paul Williams doesnt have another fight until Feb 2008 ( 2 months after Floyd fought Hatton) and was outboxed by Quintana. How do we legitamately say these guys deserved a shot if the division was so "hot" during this time that people like to claim it was.

The "division was hot when Floyd retired "comment became a Pac and Margarito fans catch phrase to them, lmao! It does seem that way

You guys need to wake up and smell the coffee. P. Williams and Margarito were being avoided. Now go back to Ali - Frazier - Norton - Foreman days. Imagine if Floyd were in that division and you would be saying but: - but Ali lost to Frazier and Norton - but Frazier lost to Foreman - but Foreman lost to Ali - but Norton lost to Foreman and Ali Fighters needs to fight not just talk about why others lost so that is good enough reason why my hero Floyd didn't need to. Outside of the Floyd claim, what legitimate fighters were avoiding Margarito? Why did Paul Williams immediately go to 154 by the end of 2008? I mean, if the division was so hot, then he could have fought Cotto or Mosley right? Were those guys avoiding Williams too?

Nobody knew who Trout was 2 months ago, now all of a sudden Floyd is terrified of this guy..... LOL I guarantee if anyone had said Floyd should fight Trout back in November, everybody would have called it a cherry pick... smh

One went 8 months, one went 16 months. Which is more inactive? I'm not the one rewriting history. WTF am I even doing in this thread, Floyd nuthuggers aren't worth the effort. I'm out. LOL Take it easy man... If you look at things short term, then yes you are right and it seems as if Floyd was more active because he had 1 fight more recently then Shane did. However, you can not discount the fact that Floyd only had one fight since Dec of 2007. Even though Mosley did have a gap between fights, it wasnt Floyd's fault that the Berto/Mosley fight was cancelled due to the Haiti earthquakes and Berto lost family members.. Both guys (Floyd/Mosley) were looking for fights after this happened. Negotiations fell through for Floyd/Pac, and since Mosley had just became open, it was the right fight to make happen. When you talk about Mosley being inactive, you make it seem as if he was sitting on the sidelines doing absolutely nothing, then Floyd just happened to agree to fight him. When we all know he was at least in sparring/training because he was suppose to fight Berto a few months earlier. I can also understand why the guy keeps asking you to stop re-writing history.. I hope you understand wheere I am coming from with this post

it was the same situation as pacquiao-morales-raheem. Raheem was just a tune up for morales to fight pacquiao the second time. The fight was signed and sealed, so it happened anyway. But it was pointless because morales lost. Same with mayweather-judah-baldomir. Hbo had already signed the fight. The only difference here is that mayweather actually fought both, the guy who got upset and the upsetter. Pacquiao fought the guy who got upset and ducked raheem the upsetter. ^^^^^^ this

This is mostly about a like-ability factor. People just use Floyd's resume as a cover up. The so called threats that Manny fought were also coming off losses or not far removed from severe beating. You can equally poke holes in Manny resume also. So now it comes down to who is more of a fan favorite.. one of the downsides to Floyd playing the villian role all of the time.

pac is greater than floyd of course for now but it depends on what floyd is prepared to do and how much his legacy reallly means to him. when his ability goes he might find he wish he did more cos once you decline thats it,, no more if only i did this or that. Cos if guys like bradley took years off and fought as little as floyd, he wouuld be seen as a joke if people claimed he was the best so i judge floyd like i would anyone who dared act like floyod. Speaking of Bradley, do u know that he went on a hiatus when everyone claimed he was ducking Amir Khan, before he eventually joined Top Rank. Now look at Bradley, he hasnt fought since June and doesnt even have a fight lined up.... lol

Funny the way you bring up Margarito that did even go up to Floyd to get that fight to happen. More importantly, did Floyd no that Margarito was a cheat? Floyd was still with Top Rank at the time. Did they fight? Funny hey? Cotto couldn't possibly get Floyd in the ring when Floyd went on vacation, could he? No point in requesting a fight for that simple reason. Arum stated clearly that down the line there would definitely be a fight between Floyd vs Cotto. Arum even stated that all that had to happen was for Cotto to gain more experience and that fight would have been made. Floyd preferred the greener version of Cotto when he wasn't quite there yet. Floyd went on vacation once the WW division started getting interesting. So even though Margo goes up to Floyd to make the fight, you leave out the WELL DOCUMENTED portion when Arum didnt even want to pay Floyd to make the fight happen. Like I said earlier, people criticize him for stopping Arum from robbing him blind... The thing is we dont know how long Margo has cheated. But the fact remains that he was caught and put an asterisk on his career. How is that any different than anyone else who gets caught cheating. In regards to Cotto- Do u actually believe Arum would have made the fight??? Good grief man, if Arum cant even get out of his own way to make Pac-May happen for all of the money it would have made, what makes u think he would have made the Cotto fight. Arum didnt even get out of his own way to make May-Dela Hoya, which is why Floyd left Arum anyway. ..

He would have never been a PPV star that's why the fix was in by HBO and the crooked judges to rob Castillo. Margarito constant pressure, constant punching iron chin and possible cast wraps would have been to much for Floyd after watching Castillo Man handle him. Margarito was Castillo but with more power that's why Floyd stayed away I dont know if I agree with that. It was like 4-5 years after he fought Castillo before he became a PPV attraction. Even if Floyd did lose, thats plenty of time to recover from it. Especially when most people acknowledge that Floyd went into the fight handicapped with a bad shoulder. But I dont believe the fight was fixed. A close fight that could go either way is not a fix.

His career wouldn't have changed much. He gave Castillo an immediate rematch and beat him mire clearly. He didnt wait a couple of fights like most people do. There still would have been NO Pacman fight as long as Floyd wasn't with Top Rank. The guy was smart enough to get help from Al Hayman to buy out his contract so Arum would stop robbing him blind. Arum has been trying to destroy Floyd ever since. Its funny that when people asked Cotto a year ago, he said out of his own mouth that he NEVER pursued a Mayweather fight. People disregard it because it just sounds better to say Floyd ducked. And any reference to Margarito should be thrown out of the window. THIS GUY BLATANTLY CHEATED THE SPORT AND COULD HAVE KILLED SOMEONE! He doesn't deserve any credit for being someone who was "ducked". People hate Floyd so much that they rather give more credit to a blatant cheater. At the end of the day- Floyd resume is only debatable due to a personal like-ability factor with his character. I could go out and say a ton of negative and unrealistic stuff about Floyd today, and gain thousands of new friends. Then use his resume as a cover up when questioned about it

The only fights that didn't happen that would have meant anything major were Pacquiao, Wright, Margarito, and Tszyu. Pacquiao....I'm not even going to get into a who ducked who debate, because they both wanted it and appeared not to want it at different times all the time the past 2-3 years. Wright.....Floyd was willing to move up two weight classes to fight him in 2005, but Shaw and Arum couldn't come to an agreement on a split. Shaw said that Winky had too much to lose and nothing to gain, which was basically true though. Tszyu......he was injured in 2004 when Floyd entered 140, and Floyd openly voiced wanting the Tszyu-Hatton winner, Tszyu lost. Oh well. Not Floyd's fault here. Margarito....the only one with any claim or beef that Floyd didn't seem interested in fighting. Floyd did maintain he'd fight Margarito for 8 million, and long as he could get guarantees for Oscar, Cotto, and Hatton. Bob said he didn't want to guarantee Floyd that type of money, which Floyd ended up getting fighting Baldomir, Oscar, and Hatton anyway. You also have to equate that Floyd had his sights set on much bigger and legit fights against Shane Mosley and Oscar De La Hoya at this time too. Still, Margarito is the only fight where you could really honestly make this claim. I agree with this except for the Margarito claim. Mainly due to him with loaded gloves. He doesn't deserve that type of respect

The problem with Floyd and his fans is that they just back with excuses as to why the fight was not made. When Floyd is with Arum, they come up with excuses then when Floyd is not, they still come back with Arum only fights fighters against fighters that are in his stable. Then you give them a good example of that not being the case then they make more excuses or run away! lol! Floyd didn't want to fight Margarito. Both Floyd and Margarito were under Arum. You don't discuss other fighters like Floyd did to excuse him of fighting Margarito. That my friend , was well documented!!!! Correct, Floyd didn't know that Margarito cheated back then or not. Floyd, years later admitted to ducking Margarito and said something like "I knew that I shouldn't have taken the fight with Margarito because I always knew that there was something wrong with Margarito and him being a cheater" .... that means he ducked Margarito!!! Arum stated that Floyd vs Cotto will happen once Cotto gains more experience. Arum also stated that Floyd is a great boxer but if there is one guy that can do it its Cotto. AGain, WELL DOCUMENTED!!! Manny fought Oscar who is an opposing promoter of Arum and not in Arum's stable. So that shoots down your last point!!! Go ahead and continue to make up stuff, guy... lol People will have facts and they will still twist it.. Just like when Cotto said last year that he NEVER actively pursued the fight. Yet u still talk say, "Arum said down the road blah blah".. just sad

You're looking at it all wrong. With Oscar, Floyd took the lesser amount. With Cotto, Floyd would take higher amount, so those two fights are not comparable in the way you're looking at it. No disrespect, but I believe your logic is flawed. I am sure Floyd came out much better financially by fighting Oscar. You are leaving out the fact that the fight had grossed over 2.4 million ppv buys. In no way can Cotto-Floyd (regardless of when It took place) was gonna do those numbers. Besides- They did 1.5 last year with Floyd making a guaranteed $32 mil. Do u think he would have gotten that by fighting Cotto in 2007?

How could any fighter near welterweight aquire the services of Mayweather Sr. when he refuses to train a fighter opposite his son? This has to hinder the employment of Mayweather Sr being that Floyd is the ultimate goal of fighters near that division. Do you agree? I dont really see how it would benefit Floyd Sr anyway. I totally could see WWs taking advantage of Floyd Sr just so they could get tips on how to be Lil Floyd, then they would dropFloyd Sr in a heartbeat.

Didn't stop Oscar Didn't stop Hatton No disrespect, but I think u missed his point on this one. He is talking about up and coming fighters who are targeting Floyd Jr at this time. Also, Floyd Sr refused to help Oscar in his fight against Floyd JR. And Floyd Sr didnt help Hatton until after Floyd JR had already TKOd him

I have absolutely no problem with Floyd fighting Sergio Martinez at 154, but sometimes I think people who hate Floyd so much are a little disconnected from reality (no disrepect intended). My thing is this: Considering that Sergio is 38 years old already, and has been fighting at MW for a few years now, there is nothing in me that truly believes that Sergio can make 154 comfortably without killing himself. I can totally see Floyd beating Sergio 154, then getting absolutely no credit for it. The same people who said he is scared to fight Sergio at 154 would be the same people who claims that Floyd beat a drained fighter if he won..

The only version of ALI that the Klitzscho Bros has a chance of beating is the post 1975 version. They definitely wouldn't beat ALI in his "TRUE" prime in the mid 1960's, leading up to the his 3 year ban.

Wow talk about a bunch of lies spewing here. Ginger wants the Floyd guarantee because he's getting sick and tired of waiting while Floyd fights the Ortiz's/Guerrero's. Canelo has all the right to ask for this Guarantee because of Floyds track record. Canelo fights everyone n!gg@. He was lined up to fight P.williams, Kirkland, Cotto (which was a heavy favorite against Trout). Canelo has no problem fighting Trout. All Floyd has to do is except the contract and fight him in september, not that hard. Floyd said he's already fighting in September so whats the hold up? If it quacks like a duck.. it must be a ... Please educate all of us on who Canelo has beaten, to put him in a position to make these request for a guarantee?

Last Fights of Floyd " Ducking or Booring" Mayweather vs Cotto(Natural Welterweight , The Cotto Prime was 3-4 years before without KO's Pow) @ 154 vs Ortiz ( Crappy Welterweight ,Crappy Welterweights Generation, This Division is Dead Right Now, When Mallignaggi and Devon Alexander , Really Crap Boxers are champions... We have a PROBLEM lolol ,Without KO's Pow "Ortiz vs Berto.... ROIDS") vs Shane Mosley ( OLD, This Fight was at Pacquiao's Top at Welterweight AND OLD OLD) vs Juan Manuel Marquez.. (Marquez Without MEMO, A Natural Lightweight / SuperFeatherweight Move Up to 147 Ponds vs Overweight Mayweather's,at this time Marquez hasn´t KO´s Pow THANKS MEMO ) Not to mention that his fights are extremely boring, the judges give the round with 3 punches landed and back back and back When he confront a Fighter with really Power at 147 or 154(Natural Fighter) on her prime , he will be destroyed just like the The Crap Mamba A NATURAL 154 PUNISHER EASY DESTROYS MAYWEATHER.. VERY EASY... Sergio,GGG,Alvarez(Natural 154Punishers) easy destroys Mayweather at 154 I think sometimes people say he is boring because he doesnt stand there and take unnecassary punishment from any of the fighters that he faces... I actually like a guy that shows he has good D, and just doesnt stand there and get sparked out all the time. I guess thats just me

Ok, so lets put all of this into context: Floyd last fight was Dec 2007 against Ricky Hatton, sat out 2008, announce his return EARLY 2009, had the fight pushed back from July to Sept because of a rib injury So basically everyone keeps saying that Floyd ducked fighters prime years when he really was only gone from his last fight in Dec 2007 until he "officially announced" his return like 13- 14 months later So basically Cotto, Margo, and Williams were all in there prime in 2008 (1 year), but when Floyd came back they weren't prime fighters anymore If all it took was 14 months for those guys to be out of their primes, then maybe they weren't as good as you like to claim

Both are legit champs @ 154 why a CW? I can see if one was a 154 and was 147 or 140 or other and to make the fight happen they would have to meet somewhere. But if both are Champs at 154 and Floyd beat a legit 154 with NO CW...then why should it be at a CW. Makes no fuking sense. :AYWOoD: Lol, so you think Pac and Margo fighting at a catchweight for a vacant 154 lb title makes more sense???

Why does everyone assume that Floyd will take money if Canelo misses weight? More than likely, Floyd will make him spend another couple of hours trying to sweat it off- which is actually worse for Canelo than paying a fine

Thanks for clearing it up, it just sounded like she was making fun of him like Stephen A smith and the flowmos and black power racists do with that are you still sleep crap whenever they leave a comment on a article or video about pacman. So when people make fun of Floyd for whatever reason, those people are smart and know boxing. But if someone says something about Pac, they are a ***** or racist??? Lol

Not sure what u should expecy, considering the man just got out of jail and a year layoff... Lets just wait an see how a more active Floyd looks this time around

This is probably the most pathetic post this board has ever seen. DTMB makes something up, convince himself that what he made up is true, complains about it (even though he made it up), then criticizes floyd fans. The only thing repugnant is the fact that you have access to a computer so you can post the retarded things you think about. Why do people mention Trout when no one knew who is was 3 weeks ago. He was suppose to be a guy Cotto should whip. Funny thing is that no one mentions the fact that Canelo was in the parking lot before Trout gave his post fight interview. If Floyd had pulled what Canelo did, people would swear that Floyd was running

All you have to do is go back and watch the Mayweather-Cotto weigh in on the day before the fight. Floyd was drinking a huge bottle of Gatorade just minutes before he got on the scale and weighed 151 on the scales. Obviously he knew he was gonna come in way lighter than the JMW limit. Why would he ask the ghost to come to 154. Its totally ok to dislike Floyd if you want to. But some stuff is just silly to debate.