HOF/ATG Poll: Pac ahead of Floyd for ATG

Just look at this poll compared to the ones from 3 years ago as evidence that Floyd has steadily caught up to Pacquiao (or almost is about even with him). The blind fanboy tards can spam all day in this thread, but you can see the trend just by comparing this poll to the older ones. Subtract a percentage of votes to account for the very vocal Pacquiao following from abroad that sh*ts up every online boxing forum and they're pretty much even.

Hatton said he had improved as a fighter in many interviews after the floyd fight and before the pac fight. THe fact he didnt perform on the night isnt Pacs fault. If you dont learn from losing to Floyd, then Floyd isnt as good as people say he is. Yes and Pac beat DLH and SSM more convincinly than Floyd. Cant keep beg borrowing and stealing credit for Floyd and be desperate as its the only thing that you can cheerlead for as he dont fight often or the most dangerous guys. But having said that, floyd dont give you guys much to cheer about, so you do have to scrape the bottom of the barrerll to make floyd look good. Cotto, DLH, Hatton, JMM, SSM was better when Floyd fought them werent they, you want people to believe? Yes if you say so, if it makes you happy. and you dont mind if i lie? All that we know for sure is Pac beats them more convincingly, by ko mostly. "All that we know for sure is Pac beats them more convincingly, by ko mostly" wasnt cotto and oscar and margarito at catchweights lol and tbh i bet on hatton for the pac fight leading up to the ko i felt hatton was doing pretty good he just got caught with a perfect shot :popcorn:

Martinez fights 160 not 154. Also the fact you bring up some stupid things like a blown up Marquez, A blown up Hatton and Mosley. Get your facts straight. Mayweather fought Mosley a year before Pacquiao, Mayweather fought Hatton a year before Pacquiao (not to mention Hattons layoff), Mayweather fought Cotto at his own weightclass of 154 while pacquiao made the fight a catch-weight, Mayweather fought DLH a year before pacquiao ( another layoff as well), Mayweather fought Marquez at welterweight (pacquiao didn't do that till he saw Mayweather give him problems at welterweight), and all of those fights pacquiao took after Mayweather, yet you claim they are better wins for Pacquiao. Yes, why not? Just cos Floyd beats someone first dont mean they are better wins for Floyd, cos lots of people have beat Floyds opponents before Floyd did. So Floyd must have a lot of rubbish wins then? If you dont learn from losing to Floyd then Floyd cant be that good. DLH, SSM must have learnt from their loss to Floyd so Pac had to deal with all that knew knowledge from DLH and SMM, but it didnt help them against Pac. But Pac koing you, you wont neccesarily come back better. I doubt Cotto was better after a vicious beating and bloated JMM wasnt as well, with FLoyd coming in over weight.

Pac lost vs marquez, he was dominating but got k0d, it has happened to better boxers and fighters Just like duran who is a higher atg than floyd, so is pac, his resume is incredible, he has challenged the best apart from martinez who was simply too big. Floyd on the other hand ducked and cherry picked his way to his 0 hell everyone knows he lost the 1st fight vs castillo, so those saying pac lost 4 times vs marquez better get their boxing knowledge in order... there really is no debate, pac is greater, his resume is better at the peak of his career floyd was fighting a bloated lightweight at 147...he was fighting a blown up 140 fighter at 147... at pacs peak he was fighting the same blown up fighter but at his best weight, he was coming up 2 weight classes to fight oscar, he accepted a catchweight challenge by cotto moving up a weight class and then continued to give away 15-20 pounds to fight at a disadvantage vs guys like clottey and margarito.. floyd would not even defend his 154 belt against the best in that division (martinez) instead as I said, marquez at a bloated 147, hatton at 147, mosley 18 month lay off...ortiz and guerrero lmao need I say more? Martinez fights 160 not 154. Also the fact you bring up some stupid things like a blown up Marquez, A blown up Hatton and Mosley. Get your facts straight. Mayweather fought Mosley a year before Pacquiao, Mayweather fought Hatton a year before Pacquiao (not to mention Hattons layoff), Mayweather fought Cotto at his own weightclass of 154 while pacquiao made the fight a catch-weight, Mayweather fought DLH a year before pacquiao ( another layoff as well), Mayweather fought Marquez at welterweight (pacquiao didn't do that till he saw Mayweather give him problems at welterweight), and all of those fights pacquiao took after Mayweather, yet you claim they are better wins for Pacquiao.

mayweather beat hatton back when hatton still had his 0 mentally ricky wasnt the same after that fight.! mayweather beat oscar at his natural weight comin off a mayorga ko mayweather beat a shane mosley comin off his biggest ko (margo) Hatton said he had improved as a fighter in many interviews after the floyd fight and before the pac fight. THe fact he didnt perform on the night isnt Pacs fault. If you dont learn from losing to Floyd, then Floyd isnt as good as people say he is. Yes and Pac beat DLH and SSM more convincinly than Floyd. Cant keep beg borrowing and stealing credit for Floyd and be desperate as its the only thing that you can cheerlead for as he dont fight often or the most dangerous guys. But having said that, floyd dont give you guys much to cheer about, so you do have to scrape the bottom of the barrerll to make floyd look good. Cotto, DLH, Hatton, JMM, SSM was better when Floyd fought them werent they, you want people to believe? Yes if you say so, if it makes you happy. and you dont mind if i lie? All that we know for sure is Pac beats them more convincingly, by ko mostly.

More like JMM has overtaken Floyd with his win over Pac. Ha ha, Floyd beat the better versions. I dont think JMM was a better version, bloating JMM and then coming over the limit on the scales means Floyds fans shouldnt even have the audacity to mention JMMs name when talking about their love of Floyd. Pac beat the better version of hatton, it was at 140 hattons best weight. We all saw how bad hatton looked against Collazo, so lets not pretend hatton was superman when Floyd fought hatton please. Hatton looked more like superman against Paul malliganagi and you are as good as your last fight. Hatton even remarked how good he was before fighting Pac and that he had become a better fighter since his loss to Floyd. THe only valid excuse is Hatton had an off night against Pac, and i believe he did. But thats not Pacs fault for sure. mayweather beat hatton back when hatton still had his 0 mentally ricky wasnt the same after that fight.! mayweather beat oscar at his natural weight comin off a mayorga ko mayweather beat a shane mosley comin off his biggest ko (margo)

An obvious choice now, Mayweather. Each fight with Marquez has shown a lot of lack of confidence and lack of boxing knowledge. While Pacquiao has shown more wear and tear in his old age, Mayweather has shown more Knowledge and Competitiveness. The fact Pacquiao showed so much trouble facing Marquez, yet I haven't seen Mayweather truely hurt/unconfident/ or even showed lack of Competitiveness. Mayweather in his next few fights could change a lot of what is thought of him. Ofcourse their will still be haters.

Pac lost vs marquez, he was dominating but got k0d, it has happened to better boxers and fighters Just like duran who is a higher atg than floyd, so is pac, his resume is incredible, he has challenged the best apart from martinez who was simply too big. Floyd on the other hand ducked and cherry picked his way to his 0 hell everyone knows he lost the 1st fight vs castillo, so those saying pac lost 4 times vs marquez better get their boxing knowledge in order... there really is no debate, pac is greater, his resume is better at the peak of his career floyd was fighting a bloated lightweight at 147...he was fighting a blown up 140 fighter at 147... at pacs peak he was fighting the same blown up fighter but at his best weight, he was coming up 2 weight classes to fight oscar, he accepted a catchweight challenge by cotto moving up a weight class and then continued to give away 15-20 pounds to fight at a disadvantage vs guys like clottey and margarito.. floyd would not even defend his 154 belt against the best in that division (martinez) instead as I said, marquez at a bloated 147, hatton at 147, mosley 18 month lay off...ortiz and guerrero lmao need I say more?

lol...pacblowers are pathetic. floyd has officially overtaken pac in terms of all-time greatness .....jmm isn't floyd best win but it's better than any win on pac's resume. add the fact that floyd fought the better versions of common opponents and beat the better fighters.....this shouldn't even be a discussion. the poll results don't mean ish cause this board is infested with pac-tards, alts and floyd haters. More like JMM has overtaken Floyd with his win over Pac. Ha ha, Floyd beat the better versions. I dont think JMM was a better version, bloating JMM and then coming over the limit on the scales means Floyds fans shouldnt even have the audacity to mention JMMs name when talking about their love of Floyd. Pac beat the better version of hatton, it was at 140 hattons best weight. We all saw how bad hatton looked against Collazo, so lets not pretend hatton was superman when Floyd fought hatton please. Hatton looked more like superman against Paul malliganagi and you are as good as your last fight. Hatton even remarked how good he was before fighting Pac and that he had become a better fighter since his loss to Floyd. THe only valid excuse is Hatton had an off night against Pac, and i believe he did. But thats not Pacs fault for sure.

Marquez's win over Pacquiao is greater than any win Floyd has on his resume. FACT. so mayweathers win over marquez is greater then any win jmm has right?

Look, thats the problem! You got it from both sides, Your a Pac fan correct? Me I luv boxing, people are gonna troll to get a rise. My thing is you have to realise Pac is good but, this resume is padded just like Mayweathers. I don't know if your one of the blind Pac fans that will say stupid $h!t, like Mayweather fights old fighters, when he fought De La Hoya a year before Pac, AND at Oscars actaul weight of 154, (yeah because he had to. Oscar was the golden ticket then). He fought Cotto after Pac, but at Cotto's current weight of 154, when Pac didn't want anything to do with Cotto at 154. I don't even discuss all that ducking bull****, because no one really knows whats going behind the scenes. IMO they both are first ballot HFO's no matter what Much respect to THIS post

Interesting. So manny lost to an inferior opponent. Floyd never loses to inferior opponents which according to you is all he fights. So that would then make floyd the better fighter right? . Yes Pac losst to an inferior opponent, JMM surviving as best as he could against Pac and finally getting a ko punch. JMM lied and said he was going for a ko against Pac, rather as usual it was Pac who was going for the ko, and JMM counterpunching as usual and hoping one would be hard enough to ko pac. JMM lied just like bradley did. And floyd also lost to castillo in the first fight. I wasnt going to say it was a loss, but considering children keep saying pac lost 3 time to jmm i have to lower myself temporarily. If floyd fought more often he would also lose to supposedly inferior opponents more often, history shows that, and you can do nothing to disprove me. Lets imagine a world where Pac had a few less fights and didnt have the fourth fight with JMM and bradley, hed still be unbeaten in nearly 8 years of tough back to back fights. Has any fighter in history fought the level of competion Pac has, regularly back to back and not had a difficult opponent or two in that span of time? Dont think so, certainly not floyd! Flooyd doesnt even qualify for having fought anyone regularly, back to back, let alone tough opponents. So its hard to even include floyd in any historical discussion on any serious level.

Interesting. So manny lost to an inferior opponent. Floyd never loses to inferior opponents which according to you is all he fights. So that would then make floyd the better fighter right? Anyway you cut it dude manny got embarassed. Just accept it that he is inferior to an elite boxer/counter punchers because he never took the time to learn defense sand proper balance.of course when you fight mostly come forward. Punchers you don't need those skill. Ali also lost to inferior opponents. So did SRR, many others. I guess that puts them behind Calzaghe and Cuenca.

Interesting. So manny lost to an inferior opponent. Floyd never loses to inferior opponents which according to you is all he fights. So that would then make floyd the better fighter right? Anyway you cut it dude manny got embarassed. Just accept it that he is inferior to an elite boxer/counter punchers because he never took the time to learn defense sand proper balance.of course when you fight mostly come forward. Punchers you don't need those skill. lol, anybody can get KTFO when they step in the ring, but you do bring up good points on the lack of the small technical aspects of footwork, and balance, Pac is an exciting fighter so that stuff gets overlooked; and yeah I think Roach is a offense first trainer for sure, so they probably just rely on Pac's speed and good power to overcome the deficiencies

Look, thats the problem! You got it from both sides, Your a Pac fan correct? Me I luv boxing, people are gonna troll to get a rise. My thing is you have to realise Pac is good but, this resume is padded just like Mayweathers. I don't know if your one of the blind Pac fans that will say stupid $h!t, like Mayweather fights old fighters, when he fought De La Hoya a year before Pac, AND at Oscars actaul weight of 154, (yeah because he had to. Oscar was the golden ticket then). He fought Cotto after Pac, but at Cotto's current weight of 154, when Pac didn't want anything to do with Cotto at 154. I don't even discuss all that ducking bull****, because no one really knows whats going behind the scenes. IMO they both are first ballot HFO's no matter what He thinks Pac is GOAT and has said it many times :rofl:

Look, thats the problem! You got it from both sides, Your a Pac fan correct? Me I luv boxing, people are gonna troll to get a rise. My thing is you have to realise Pac is good but, this resume is padded just like Mayweathers. I don't know if your one of the blind Pac fans that will say stupid $h!t, like Mayweather fights old fighters, when he fought De La Hoya a year before Pac, AND at Oscars actaul weight of 154, (yeah because he had to. Oscar was the golden ticket then). He fought Cotto after Pac, but at Cotto's current weight of 154, when Pac didn't want anything to do with Cotto at 154. I don't even discuss all that ducking bull****, because no one really knows whats going behind the scenes. IMO they both are first ballot HFO's no matter what

Why do pac haters mention JMM as if Pac has had difficulty with 4 different opponents, and that JMM counts for 4 men? That is still one boxer! Pac is as great as people think, even having one krptonite opponent. Most greats have lost to someone that shouldnt tie their laces. JMm is not a bum let me reiterate that. AND why keep saying Pac got ktfo as if kos mean more now. So floyd never kos anyone so that muust mean floyd is trash then i guess. Making it sound like JMM koing Pac is something special. It is but considering Pac was going for the ko like madman perspective is needed but perspective isnt going to be found on you thats a certainty. Interesting. So manny lost to an inferior opponent. Floyd never loses to inferior opponents which according to you is all he fights. So that would then make floyd the better fighter right? Anyway you cut it dude manny got embarassed. Just accept it that he is inferior to an elite boxer/counter punchers because he never took the time to learn defense sand proper balance.of course when you fight mostly come forward. Punchers you don't need those skill.

. Man dude why are you so desperate to try an elevate manny. He got ktfo by an opponent that the majority of boxing media think beat him at least twice and possibly 3 times before the ko. Manny just isn't as great as you thought. Why do pac haters mention JMM as if Pac has had difficulty with 4 different opponents, and that JMM counts for 4 men? That is still one boxer! Pac is as great as people think, even having one krptonite opponent. Most greats have lost to someone that shouldnt tie their laces. JMm is not a bum let me reiterate that. AND why keep saying Pac got ktfo as if kos mean more now. So floyd never kos anyone so that muust mean floyd is trash then i guess. Making it sound like JMM koing Pac is something special. It is but considering Pac was going for the ko like madman perspective is needed but perspective isnt going to be found on you thats a certainty.

Of course they were. Man dude why are you so desperate to try an elevate manny. He got ktfo by an opponent that the majority of boxing media think beat him at least twice and possibly 3 times before the ko. Manny just isn't as great as you thought. You won't get him to admit that, me and you both know that the only reason we had 4, and now maybe a 5th fight is because Pac and Roach don't really feel they won 2 of those fights and the 3rd fight for sure, and I can give Pac credit for trying to prove it to himself. But this guy wants to overlook the catchweights, and all these Top Rank fighters..let me repeat Top Rank fighters. Its cool to have luv for Pac, but give Mayweather his due for what he has done as well.

Morales and barrera were great fighters not were not picked to suit his style. JMM supposedly doesnt fit pacs sstyle yet Pac still beat him 3 times if not for error on scorecards. pac has beat everyone floyd has beat and then some, and he fights with is a neccesary part of being a great Not all counterpuunchers are going to give pac problems. Of course they were. Man dude why are you so desperate to try an elevate manny. He got ktfo by an opponent that the majority of boxing media think beat him at least twice and possibly 3 times before the ko. Manny just isn't as great as you thought.