Being reluctant to lie down...but also only winning 1 round on the scorecards means his performance was better than his opponents??
Having guts.. doesnt make a performance. Why dont you just say not dieing is now a factor in performance rankings?
In terms of fighters performing to their maximum potential. Yes he gave the best performance in those fights. Joshua was lackluster compared to what he could have been. Wilder was fighting a bin who by compubox numbers didn't land a single punch. So yes.. I think that Takam gave the best performance out of those fights.
Out of all 4 fighters I was most impressed by Takams performance. Considering the huge size advantage that Joshua had over him he was reluctant to lie down and actually put up a fight over the 10 rounds. I think most people will admit that Joshua's last performance was lackluster.
Here's how I order the fighters "performance" wise:
1. Takam
2. Wilder
3. Joshua
Stiverne needs to actually throw a punch in the ring and not come in out of shape to get on the list.
Hagler is considered to be number 1. Yet he never fought a natural middleweight like Canelo and GGG
So you're telling me that there aren't 10 better middleweights in history than Canelo or GGG, depending on who wins the fight. Based on what? All the world class opponent's that GGG has fought? Or all the catchweights that Canelo has fought at? Great boxers yes... Top 10 All time? Even top 5 All time? No.
I made a very similar thread to this about 2 years ago, so I know where you're coming from. What's youre seeing is the same as me, that hes not super gifted in single areas, but I'm sold on him now. His gift is how many boxes he checks, his consistency, his mental and physical stamina, his IQ, ability to control distance, great jab and body punching. The fact that hes a big WW def works for him and makes him more formidable. I used to think TC would beat him clearly, now I think it's a close fight, but I still like Crawford.
He is definitely heavy handed, and fighters with a less than elite chin/stamina will get stopped by him imo. Someone like Porter is prob a 12 round fight.
The main thing for me is how other fighters and trainers talk about him that have seen him up close and personal in training/sparring. It's not the way they praise him, but everyone talks about him like he is a daunting task. Leonard Ellerbe is super defensive over anything Floyd related, always has been, if you watch his interview about the sparring sessions with Floyd-Spence, if you read between the lines, you can tell Spence put it on Floyd, and that is more or less in line with what everyone else says who was there.
Glad I'm not the only one, i've thought this for a while and when everyone else is hyping a fighter up like that it does make you doubt your own boxing mind. You're thinking what the ***** am I missing??:boxing:
I've heard the stories about the sparring between Spence and Floyd also. The fact that it was even a discussion shows that something did happen and he did take it to Floyd. Looking at Spence though I do struggle to see how that happened. Makes me think one of two things. Either he brought his A game to floyd, whilst floyd was at the end of a workout or something. Or I really am missing something when it comes to Spence
He’s a very well calculated boxer, who has good pop and is an awesome body puncher.
He’s not a one punch ko artist, but more of a systematic beat down type of fighter.
He can have stationary head movement which will hurt him against sharp punchers who can box on the back foot (like when he fought Brook)
But dude can fight, and is getting better as he steps up in competition.
I’d like to see a very decisive victory against porter as a real breakout fight.
A real beat down to show he can be the top dog of the division.
This is exactly the impression I have of him also. I think he's a good fighter, but I also think that it's your typical case of the hype is more than the fighter. (Edit: Unpopular opinion but i also think that Porter is criminally underrated. Might not be the best fighter but i think he gives everyone in the division one of their toughest fights. Wouldn't surprise me at all to see an upset)
The fact that he doesn't carry that one punch KO power even though he is much bigger than the majority of his opponents does pose the question. Can he move up with people still respecting his power? Or will he be a 147 fighter forever. I honestly can't see him making 147 for the rest of his career, unless his career ends soon. To me he doesn't pass the eye test convincingly, and also doesn't really have the resume to back it up.
I don't know what it is about the guy. I just get the feeling that we are waiting for him to get exposed once he reaches that elite level. The question is though, who is at that elite level to test him. Possibly Crawford? I personally think that the jury is still out on Crawford. Beat a small Gamboa, an oldish Amir Khan and well... A Jeff horn. He passes the eye test but that's about it so far.
The Major issue in the sport is weigh in times. It would be extremely difficult to implement due to the fighters weight classes but boxing really should do fight night weigh ins. This would complete negate any need to cut weight, which I believe to be the biggest cause for concern when it comes to permanent damage.
It's common knowledge that it's dangerous for you to dehydrate to that extent, only to rehydrate in a matter of hours. Not only that, studies show that the fluid around your brain reduces with dehydration. And when your job involves getting hit in the head, I'd imagine that the two don't mix too well.
Like I said, I have no idea how they would implement it, or who would implement it. The only way to do it would be for all the governing bodies (major WBC WBO IBF) to come together for this one rule, for the safety of boxers, and make it mandatory for any sanctioned fight.
Round 1: McGregor comes running out throwing 3 jabs in the round. Rest of punches are hayemakers which will put Floyd om the defensive temporarily. Counterpunching McGregor when he sees fit. Towards the end of round 1 McGregor will start to slow down slightly.. realising Floyd is not as easy to hit as he thinks.
Rounds 2-3: Conor has a more cautious approach, tries to get on the inside and rough Floyd up in bursts. Gets warned from holding behind the head. Floyd wins the rounds easily. Starts to deploy the "pop jab" to McGregor's abdomen as much as possible.
Rounds 4-5: Conor realises he's in deep waters as the jabs to the abdomen start to rack up. Open mouth gasping for air slightly. Floyd gets in high guard and walks McGregor down. Has McGregor in trouble by end of round 5.
Round 6: McGregor doesn't want to be in he fight anymore. Back against the ropes as Floyd walks him down. Floyd plays with him. Jab to abdomen. Jab to head. Jab to abdomen. Jab to head. (Think of Canelo) Floyd unleashes with a right uppercut, left hook and flurry for referee to step in and stop fight.
That's it folks... That's how it goes.
The referee in this fight would be a huge factor. If the ref allowed real in fighting then Duran surely takes the win, very possibly inside the distance. However if the referee doesn't allow in fighting I can see Duran getting frustrated with the fight and the fact that Floyd is extremely difficult to hit from range.
I think that it could go either way, but I'd definitely put my money on Duran if a decision had to be made.
Edit: Strictly speaking at 147 based on Duran form in first Leonard fight. I think that 135 Duran stops Floyd.
This is tough.
I'd probably have to go with:
Pacquiao
Roy Jones Jr (first person to win titles from middleweight to heavyweight in over 100 years?) Started at JM
Floyd Mayweather
At 140 yes this will be the first ever undisputed unbeaten unified champ at 140.
Sorry.. for some reason I glanced over the 140 part. I suppose in a way that they would be. Bit of a sad state of affairs really that they actually make the top 5 ATG in some way or another. I'm not saying that they are both not great talents. But to be mentioned top 5 ATG in anything, when compared to other actual ATG's (SRR,SRL,Henry Armstrong etc comes to mind in regards to accomplishments) they haven't actually accomplished much. So many weight classes now, becoming unified and undisputed, while still impressive, is nothing compared to what it used to be.
Really? The ATG multiple weight division champ beats a 0-0 non boxer? Impressive.
Any version of pac beats Conor. Any Version of any ATG beats Conor. I don't understand why people think that class boxers would struggle with him. They've seen him punch and knock people down, therefore he can beat world class boxers.
I saw some Irish bare Knuckle boxing on YouTube. Knock-downs happened there too. Could they beat world class boxers? UFC fighters are very susceptible to punches. They stick their chin out. Have very little guard due to glove size. And also have to worry about other forms of attack.
I mean hey, I got a hole in one in crazy golf. I'm gonna go compete in the open now. Why? Because I hit a golf ball a few times.
More solid now than he was against Floyd back then. But if they were to face off again the result would be the same. He seems to lack that something special that other great fighters have.
If Roy retired after the Ruiz fight, people would regard him as possibly the greatest fighter ever. It would at least be in the question. It doesn't take away from his accomplishments who he won that title off. He did it. Unfortunately he tarnished his legacy.
I mean.. this is a troll thread isn't it. Surely. If you don't have any knowledge on old time boxers, don't criticize them. Because SRR would more than likely breeze through any decade as a welter, bar the 80's in which would be the toughest. Not that his 8 years(?) Or so as a welter was easy. Kid gavilan, Jake LaMotta, Henry Armstrong, etc. Some of the p4p kings listed just in that sentence.
I must say. I was expecting actual boxing gloves. While the different gloves most likely won't change the outcome at all. We're much more likely to see SOMETHING land on Mayweather. Which is more than i was expecting. Also adds a bit of the unknown to the fight. It does make me wonder if this fight is to set up a rematch with Pac. Tenshin reminds me of a young Pac (speed and size wise) so if mayweather "struggles" slightly with this dude. And Pac blows Broner (mayweather style) out of the water. Could it be just a setup for a potential rematch? Would they play on these two fights to add uncertainty and sign up for a big payday? Food for thought
I agree they werent at the fitnes level of today but most men back then were proper tough old school warriors and sugar ray hit over 200 fights his movement Sutton else so don't you class Ali or foreman Duran as the same as Floyd or Tyson they were all generations apart like
Extreme commom misconception. The top fighters back then were by far physically fitter than the fighters today. These guys went 15 rounds, sometimes multiple times per week! SRR fought 3 different people, in 3 different countries in under 3 weeks. (Happened to be the top fighters of each country). 30 years prior, just 30 years. Was a heavyweight title fight between Jack Johnson and Jess willard that was scheduled for 45 ROUNDS. That's why it makes me laugh when people say that boxers today would crush the boxers of the previous era's. The only argument that they have is "training and conditioning" yet no-one has yet shown me the improvement of this in boxing. So if the training and conditioning hasnt improved... then it must be the skills right?? Wrong. These guys fought twice a week and most likely sparred every god damn day. Its a proven fact that practise improves the ability to do something.. if the old timers fought more then surely they were more fluent in their craft than todays fighters who don't fight often and are more concerned about training and conditioning. Of course there are exceptions, but to say that all fighters today would sweep the floor with yesterdays era's fighters is ridiculous.
Who did 9/11?
The lengths people go to for money. Not too far fetched if you ask me. Not to mention that all throughout the Broner Pac promo, Mayweather rematch has been mentioned more times than the actual fight itself.