He fought on the undercard of the Donaire/Rios double feature. He looked disinterested, he looked awful. And almost got knocked out late in the fight.
One thing I noticed watching that fight. Is it appears his surgically repaired hand is still bothering him. He barely threw it, and when he did it lacked any conviction.
People were going crazy on NSB about Thurman after the fight?
He didn't even look great, and it was embarrassing when he named off Mayweather in the post fight interview...
I know check hooks just trolls but... We know that pacquiao's blood has just a big of chance to turn up dirty as JMM's. why are many people acting like these two fighters weren't playing by the same rules for Saturdays fight?
I have a ton of respect for Ward, I think he's clearly the best in the game right now. Having said that Roy Jones was just something else in his time. I go RJJ>Ward in this fantasy fight.
But Pacquiao didn't get the KO. He got knocked out because he landed a good shot on JMM, and instead of JMM getting wild and reckless, JMM remained calm and Pacquiao became wild. Nothing lucky about that.
I also agree with people posting that he should consider switching trainers. He has shown since AT LEAST the Maidana fight that he is a sucker for a right hand. By far his biggest flaw, technically speaking, as a boxer. Get a new trainer, exercise the Lopez rematch clause(he has already stated he will do so). If he wins the Lopez rematch, he will be right back in the mix for a significant fight on HBO/Showtime making significant money.
Well he consistantly gets on Saturday night HBO and Showtime cards, and earns several hundred thousands per bout now. I think he should continue to be a boxer. Only 25 years old and has already earned over $3 million(maybe $4 million?) I definitely think he made the right career choice for him.
If he wants to fight tune-ups, and its not clogging up our HBO/Showtime schedules that we subscribers pay for, who really cares?
If he wasn't a frontrunner for a big fight coming up then it would be ridiculous. But it looks like TR is likely going to move forward with the 4th fight, and so I just don't understand the big deal? It's not like he needs to beat someone to prove that he deserves the 4th fight, he has already proved that not only is he in Pacquiao's class, but that he can argueably beat the guy.
I tend to agree. Chambers, IMO, showed a lot of skill in the fight, but became so limited due to the arm injury. And as the rounds went on and Adamek fully realized Chambers arm injury and started moving to the right more, and just flat out realizing he did not have to account for any punch coming from left it made it very easy.
Of course with Chambers I don't think its a given that he could get through the rematch, or any match without getting injured! He seems like a walking injury waiting to happen with his history!
Walk away with wealth and your health fully intact Roy, what's funds without physical longevity to accompany the joy from the fruits of your labor?
Roy Jones Jr. is BROKE! He owes the IRS like crazy! One of the biggest reasons he's still fighting.
I think NBA point guards, a lot of them, have the physical skills that would translate into being good fighters.
Imagine someone like ALlen Iverson, when he was young being a boxer. Someone like him looks to have the physical tools to be an amazing boxer.
Very few people make it to "superstar" status. A lot of p4p #1's come around and they do not become the DLH's, Maweather's, Pacquiao's, Tyson's etc.
But he will have a long career of headlining shows on showtime, & HBO, and can draw a good crowd in his area. He will have a very economically successful career.
4corners is making a great point, it seems a lot of people have started to think that 700k+ buys are easy to come by because of Manny Pacquiao's & Floyd Mayweathers amazing numbers they put up routinely.
If Cotto & Margarito did around 600k buys, which is a MASSIVE success, there is no way, JCC Jr. & Martinez does close to that, no matter how much better the match up is.
If this fight sells 300k units (which is not a given) that will be a great number that everyone will make a LOT of money on.
Do the math: $49.95 ppv(my estimated price)x 300k buys= $14,985,000. Say the distributers take 45% of the profits(directv etc). That gives the promoters around $8,241,750 to pay the fighters, promoters, etc.
Add gate in, add international tv, and it would make these fighters huge money.
I agree. I feel PED use is rampant in boxing(if not all sports). The drug testing procedures by the commissions is an absolute travesty.
In the wild west world of boxing, the risk/reward swings so heavily towards the risk of taking the peds for the benefits it brings compared to the consequences.
I now have taken the position that any fighter not taking some sort of random blood and urine testings for a match is a PED user.
Random blood and urine tests in the 3 month period before a fight still leaves a hell of a long time when a fighter could be doping.
Year round random blood and urine is the way forward for boxing. But even then weve seen many athletes cheat that system for years before they get caught. Even when they get caught often it was to do with a lab being outed or an insider spilling beans rather being caught in tests.
Great post TC. I knew someone would counter with this point. You most definitely are on point. There most definitely ways around RBU testing, especially if they're only testing during the period after the fight is signed to the fight night.
Alas these fighters are still negotiating something that is leaps and bounds better than the commission testing, and I will give them much more benefit of the doubt than fighters who are asking for no additional testing.
I personally would have Ward switched with Floyd Mayweather. I'd have Manny Pacquiao a spot or 2 lower. I'd switch Bradley and Froch as well.
Probably the most agreeable list for me that I've seen on current p4p.
Yeah of course! Guys on the basic commission testing have to be a little suspicious. Unless they are guys who can't afford the proper testing (as far as i'm aware fighters have to pay out of their own pockets?) then all fighters should be on random blood and urine testing in this day and age
I believe that a fighter has to pay for these testings unless their management team or promoter is insistent upon the testing, and they would pay it(unlikely?).
So yes, in its current state its hard to see a fighter thats making minimal money to pay for these tests. Also to point does anyone have an idea how much this testing costs, I have honestly no clue.
The cost to the fighters is another reason the commissions need to beef up their testing procedures.
Its becoming obvious that Floyd has only kept Roger around as it has been established that Floyd is a loyal person to the people around him. So now he keeps Roger to do some minimal work, states that neither Sr. or Roger are his "main" or head-trainer.
Good for Floyd in this regard, as Roger was his trainer through his biggest fights.
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nobody jump me, im just puttin it out there for future reference, but rigo, martinez(esspecially martinez) are on steroids imo
Rigondeaux at least participated in the VADA testing for the Donaire match. And its not like he knew that fight was coming up and could cycle around it.
Not that this proves he is clean, but I will give him the benefit of the doubt much more than the mountain of other fighters doing absolutely nothing.
Very sad to say this as the importance Ring Magazine has had for the sport of magazine throughout the years, but Ring Magazine's ranking mean nothing anymore.
Their P4P list, divisional rankings, champions, are all useless.
The rankings for p4p I look to with the must credibility is ESPN's & Yahoo's.
I see this transnational boxing board, or whatever it is called started recently. I'll say from what I have seen they have legitimate rankings.
Althought I don't feel they will make the impact on the boxing world that they hope it will(but thats a whole other subject).
If he beats Trout, I can't wait to see his first PPV. It could do surprisingly great numbers.
I agree. I believe a win will put Canelo into a category where most of his fights will be on PPV thereafter. I think his popularity has surprised even his promoters and management team with this match against Trout. He is gonna bring in a hell of a gate this weekend.
I'm sure Golden Boy & Showtime are dying for him to look great this weekend and crossover into PPV category. Not only for the revenue the PPV's bring, but to clear money in the regular Sho sports budget for the other roster of fighters in GBP.
He has Curtis Jackson's attorney and he is suing everyone he's involved with in boxing.
So he's locked himself in legal battles which are keeping him out of the ring at his own choice.
Myself I credit that Devon is a good boxer. But his fights are awful to watch. The clinching in the Maidana fight and his lack of action against Bailey was gutwrenching.
Right now(really since the conclusion of fight IV) Marquez has stated he is not interested in a fifth fight, and that he settled the rivalry.
Some act like Marquez is hot after the fight and asking for 50-50.
He states he's not interested in the fight unless its 50/50, those are his terms, if Pacquiao wants the revenge, thats what he'll have to agree to.
If not he's the one that has to deal with how the series ended, flat on his face with Marquez standing on the ropes with his arm up.
C'mon Ortiz, a Top Rank fighter? Not happening, oh well at least there are many interesting options when he gets back from the Jaw injury. 3 interesting rematches in Maidana, Lopez, & Berto. Depending on how these batch of 140lb fights go He and Lamont Peterson could get back into the ring with each other.
I hope somewhere down the line he & Khan fight. Those two have a knack for making interesting fights, the 2 of them together would be great!
As some others have stated, a very similar situation happened with Morales vs. Garcia. Morales failed a test and the NYSAC absurdly let the fight go on with Garcia's consent.