I think Brook's chin is tested and seems to be decent. Spence's chin hasn't really been tested yet as far as I'm aware, and this should be his biggest test. But just looking at Spence physically, he looks to me like the kind of guy who is vulnerable (kind of like Amir Khan), if you know what I mean. But that's just my speculation, he could have a good chin in reality.
Taking about a thousand hits to the head in one fight can do that to you. And, of course, Jeff Lacy was a hype job, but he was definitely a ruined hype job after that fight.
I picked Kovalev to win this fight but this was a close, hard to score, fight imo. I've only watched the fight once but I think a draw would have been a fair reflection of the fight rather than UD to Ward, but that's not how boxing is scored. But if the fights close enough that it could be a draw, then the home fighter is much more likely to get the decision, especially when the 3 Judges are the same nationality as the home fighter.
I would like to see the rematch in Russia with 3 Russian Judges and a Russian Referee. Then if Kovalev wins that fight, a third fight, with a much more neutral set up, can decide the trilogy winner. But I think that's just fantasy, it's not gonna happen.
But I congratulate and give respect to Ward, I was skeptical that he would even take this fight (I gladly eat humble pie for being wrong here), and he did so well after the terrible start he had. I thought Kovalev was likely going to knock him out after showing the impact of the jab in the first round, and knocking him down with the right in the second, but ward is great defensively.
And condolences and big respect to Kovalev once again, he's not afraid to travel to the opponents backyard, and still clearly wins the fights, and was unlucky to lose here; he would have gone to Oakland for this fight if necessary. These are definitely the 2 best PFP fighters in the world imo.
Obviously much less credit than unifying a strong division. GGG is a great fighter amongst a bunch of rif raf, cowardly businessman, and blown up junior middleweights. After he wipes out the Cotto vs Canelo winner hopefully he will test himself in the super middleweight division.
It's a tough one, but I'm going with GGG to win by knockout. He's bigger, hits naturally harder, and is very skilled at landing those hard shots. I don't think Canelo has the stamina or foot speed necessary to cope.
The poll here isn't indicative of the picks now. A lot of opinions have changed in two years. Shame really.
Yeah, this poll is invalid. I'm not sure why an up to date poll wasn't made.
you're an idiot and a not only a canelo fan but a delusional one lol
canelo drained down for hatton, (beat him) canelo drained down for this very fight. the boy walks around at 170 plus if not much more. he's been draining his body for the last 2 years at 155.
he has like 8 catchweights in all of his major fights. how is he able to do this? because he has youth on his side. drain down and then blow up later overpowering opponents.
which makes the mayweather fight clear credit to him. thats why canelo brought up the 152 catchweight because he has overpowered opponents in that way over and over before. cotto is no exception. canelo barely can even make 155. he has to drain down to 155, but his youth makes up for that on the night of the fight.........the 152 catchweight was EVEN because canelo was smaller 3 4 years ago when that fight took place as oppose to now. in fact in his last fight before mayweather he came in at 153......
the reason why canelo couldn't win a round was because of FEET. mayweather was light years past canelo with foot speed and canelo has slow slow feet by comparison (still does till this day nothing has changed with his feet) also mayweather came out walking canelo down. cotto didn't do that. mayweather came out in that fight and stood right in front of him telling him to hit me with your best shot, I'm gonna roll it off the shoulder and then pop you in the mouth while standing right in front of you. cotto did not do that.
Every pound counts, and having to come in at at least 152 was too much. You can clearly see he was drained as fuk at the weigh in and he was clearly a walking corpse on the fight night. If you can't see this then you're either an idiot or your deluding yourself. And once again I'm not a fan of Canelo.
hey canelo fan girl. it was at a catch weight that your boy alvared wanted and mayweather agreed with it. did you watch all access?drained or not,same results
I'm not a fan of Canelo. Canelo knew the catch weight was the only way he was gonna land the Mayweather fight. Regardless, he was still drained. I can't give Mayweather credit for that win. Even Mayweather doesn't count that win lol.
Taking a knee is defending yourself properly. You get the action stopped and receive a count. And you can state a thousand times how long he was on his knees for. The fact is the G monster committed 2 fouls. Hitting a man who'd down and after the bell. Both fouls worthy of discipline. It is boxing and the knee is in fact a boxing move and within the rules. Hitting after the bell and while he's down are fouls.
Taking a knee isn't defending yourself properly in itself, if it was he wouldn't have got hit. You're not safe during the process of taking a knee or a little bit after as the opponent doesn't always know what you are doing and can't stop himself in time, so it is best to cover up to reduce the chance of taking an extra hit whilst taking a knee. It is unreasonable to expect GGG to know what lemieux was doing.
You seem to be taking the inflexible stance of, "he was on his knee whilst hit, therefore point deductions should happen." That's very simplistic and unreasonable, if a guy just touches down with his knee and you hit him just after his knee touches the canvas, how on earth can you penalize a fighter for that? You can't expect him to know he's taking a knee and you can't expect him to stop in such short time.
The only thing you're right about is Limmuix doing nothing wrong. But the G monster did do something wrong. Which is hitting a man while he was down and after the bell. Period. The ref didn't do a thing about it. He should have done something, anything about the 2 obvious fouls.
I didn't say Lemmuix did nothing wrong, I said legally he didn't do anything wrong. But in boxing terms he should defend himself properly. And I shall state for the third time, he was only on his knee for a fraction of a second before he was hit. Meaning he couldn't stop himself in time, and like I said before, he's not always going to be looking at his opponents knees but is rather looking to punch his opponent in the face. The ref didn't need to do anything about it, it's just boxing.
Protect yourself at all times doesn't apply in this case. Taking a knee is a short surrender when obviously you CANNOT protect yourself. Punching someone while down or on a knee is a classic case where disqualification or two points deduction applies. The ref screwed here big time without any consequences, not even a warning.
Yes you can protect yourself whilst taking a knee by covering up, rather than smiling at your opponent with your hands down. And like I said before in this thread, he was only on his knee for a fraction of a second before GGG hit him, so it was in no way malicious and perfectly understandable. GGG wasn't to know that Lemiaux was taking a knee, like I said, he's not a mind reader. The ref made the right decision.
If you're gonna take a knee you should defend yourself. The opponent doesn't know what you're doing, he's looking to punch you the face, he ain't always looking at your knee's, and he's not a mind reader, as much as he tries to be. Defend yourself at all times.
As I've stated before, Lemmuix did absolutely nothing wrong here. Taking a knee and not defending yourself does not in any way trump being hit while down or after the bell, ever.
It's not about trumping, but more the difference between legality and well known good advice. Lemmuix didn't do anything wrong in terms of legality in boxing of course. But if he doesn't want to take an extra hit whilst taking a knee, he would be wise to cover up in the process rather than smile with his hands down. It can be considered unfortunate timing for lemmuix at most, but GGG deserved no repercussions for punching him in the face with out knowing he was taking a knee. Like I said, lemmuix was only down for a fraction of a second before he was hit.
No, you don't have to and sometimes can't. Taking a knee is a temporary surrender. It means you don't wanna any until the ref's count is finished.
We really wouldn't know how the fight would have ended had that not happened. We can't know the impact, despite Lemieux's balls.
Taking a knee is a kinda submission, but in boxing it can be a short reprieve to regroup. It was the ref's call after that. Also, Lemieux's head was down after taking a knee.
That **** was dirty, no matter how you cut it.
Like I've explained before, of course you don't have to cover up as you take a knee, but if you want to reduce the chance of taking an extra hit whilst taking a knee then it's best to cover up rather than smile with your hands down. It's not hard to cover up mate, if your conscious enough to take a knee then your conscious enough to be able to cover up, and lemieux was clearly conscious enough to make the decision. This isn't rocket science, this the sweet science.
Most people knew the fight was in GGG's hands by then. That extra hit wouldn't have made much difference to the outcome.
How was it dirty? He was only on his knee for a fraction of a second before he was hit, like I've said numerous times, how was GGG to know he was gonna take a knee? He isn't a mind reader and wasn't focused on the guys knee's but on punching him in the face. How can you not understand the situation?
He'd destroy both of them on the same night. Put them both in their with him at the same time, they'd both **** themselves. Cotto's knee wouldn't leave the canvas, but even that wouldn't save him against GGG.
That's not the correlation I was drawing. I can understand the way I wrote it comes off that way though. I was trying to say it doesn't matter what these guys do outside of the ring, someone will take umbrage. Of course robbery and domestic violence are crimes and being gay is not but people still care. Openly gay athletes fail in this country because people care about homosexuality as an issue that much.
I can't speak for everyone, but you called bull**** on the posters, such as myself, for saying they don't care about that, when I don't. I don't know about openly gay athletes failing because of the fact that they are openly gay, if that's true then many must be bothered by it for one reason or another, that doesn't mean that the people here who say they aren't bothered by it are pretending though.
A boxers personal life does effect how people view that fighter. All these posters saying "yeah, who cares. His personal life is his personal life"...well, I'm here to call bullish1t. If posters here only cared about skill, they wouldn't give one iota to mayweather beating his kids' mother or broner beating up an old woman for her purse. What these people do matters. Including chugging pen1s.
Well there is a difference between sucking the **** and beating up old ladies for money. The prior doesn't bother me at all.
I assume the people picking Fonfara are joking. He gets hit far too easily to be able to survive Kovalev's accurate and devastating punches. The only way he could win is by KO, but that would most likely be a one punch, and I doubt that would happen.
Beat the best at their best. And yeah the luck side of it is having great fighters around you to fight. If for instance you retire, when a division starts to heat up, then come back when it's cooled down, or behave like a diva to get in ring advantages over the opponent, or blatantly duck fighters and wait fighters out, whilst cheating without allowing them to cheat to make it an even playing field, then you cannot be considered the best.
Depends if he cheats and cherry picks through the resume, rather than fight them at their best on an even playing field. If he was in their era, he's be a different fighter and if they were in this era they'd be different fighters, with all the variable differences of now and then.
Losing to GGG at 160, definitely. I wouldn't give him credit or respect for fighting and beating a drained GGG for the middleweight titles at caneloweight.
Well there is a difference between cutting weight to fight Mayweather, and cutting weight to fight Canelo. There shouldn't be any need to fight Canelo at caneloweight for a middleweight title. Besides, Canelo is easily big enough to defend his middleweight title at middleweight.