What Does It Take To Become Greatest Boxer of All Time ?

All these threads do is expose how little boxing history the majority of Fl*mos actually know. They've no clue who Sammy Angott & Kid Gavilan are, don't know anything about Jake LaMotta beyond the fact that they made a movie about him & that he used to beat up his wife (that info comes in handy when it comes to deflecting any criticism away from Mayweather because of his domestic issues.) But Floyd is a hundred billion & 0 in championship fights doe.

Ah here we are. Btw, I of course did not spend the time it would take to put this together. These are The Ring ratings of the fighters he fought. Bolded times he fought #1 contender or the current champ. This includes zero losses against WW and LW fighters, including against the best of both of those divisions of that time. With that alone he would have a better resume imo than Mayweather, but then he decided to fight multiple great MW opponents (including LaMotta while he was still literally a WW) and he had an excellent but not perfect run at that division. Angott, Zivic, LaMotta, Armstrong, Gavilan, Olson, Turpin, Graziano, Fullmer, Basilio are HOFers. (Granted that Armstrong was definitely not in his prime, but he was still pretty much the best opposition. A couple others arguably not prime.) Just a ludicruously stacked resume.... don't see the comparison at all. Great f*ckin post :hail:

What does it take to become the Michael Jordan/Wayne Gretzky of boxing ? On all GOAT lists we always see Muhammad Ali or Sugar Ray Robinson ranked as number 1. How can someone blow those two guys out of the water and become the undisputed GOAT ? What criteria do you guys take into consideration ? Era ? Number of losses ? Wins by KO ? Overall boxing ability ? PPV sales ? etc. Hard work...medication...IV saline infusions.

38 years old! Who did Robinson beat at 38? hell who did Robinson defend his titles against when he was champion? believe me resume for resume they weren't much better than Berto, maybe Jake Lamotta? Laughable suggestion. There are literally dozens of names on Robinson's resume that have done more than Berto. Fight 200 times, with about 15 meaningful fights, 155 tomato cans, 30 top 10 contenders. He fought 27 fights against 10 HOFers, and numerous top 3 contenders let alone top 10. only 21 championship fights though. 14-7 0 losses at WW and 0 losses at LW. He was a way better WW than a MW, and he was still a great MW. EDIT: He did have one loss while he was a WW but I meant that he didn't lose to any WWs. That one loss was to Jake LaMotta, who weighed in officially at 160.5lbs, 16 more than Robinson. But he avenged that loss both while he was a WW and later when he moved up.

1, it takes being in the greatest era to date 2, beating all the other greats in their prime in that era simple really. I like I said millions of time Mayweather is a great fighter but he was in a weakest era of boxing, their was only 1 other great fighter and that victory is tainted with the shoulder injury, his IV use, and he didnt not even fight him in his prime. He also had Kostya Tszyu, who was a great. Didn't fight him. Long list of manipulting the circumstances of fights. He ended up fighting most the people he was ducking, but he waited them out, until they showed clear signs they were no longer the fighter they were.

Ah here we are. Btw, I of course did not spend the time it would take to put this together. These are The Ring ratings of the fighters he fought. 1)Pete Lello (#3 LW – 1940) 2)Sammy Angott (#1 LW – 1940, LW Champ – 1941, #2 LW – 1943, #8 WW – 1945) 3)Maxie Shapiro (#8 LW – 1942) 4)Marty Servo (WW Champ – 1946) 5)Fritzie Zivic (WW Champ – 1940, #3 WW – 1941, #8 WW 1942) 6)Maxie Berger (JWW Champ – 1939, #6 WW – 1940) 7)Norman Rubio (#10 WW – 1941) '8)Reuben Shank (#8 MW – 1943) 9)Tony Motisi (#9 WW – 1942) 10)Jake LaMotta (#6 MW – 1942, #1 MW – 1943, #2 MW – 1944, #3 MW – 1945, #1 MW – 1946) (#5 MW – 1947, #3 MW – 1948, MW Champ – 1949 & 1950) 11)Izzy Janazzo (#2 WW – 1940, #8 WW – 1941 & 1943) 12)Vic Dellicurti (#10 MW – 1944) 13)Al Nettlow (couple close fights with Bob Montgomery, beat Maxie Berger) 14)California Jackie Wilson (#2 WW – 1941, #3 WW – 1942) 15)Ralph Zannelli (#5 WW – 1943, #4 WW – 1947) 16)Henry Armstrong (WW Champ – 1938 & 1939, #1 WW – 1940, #2 WW – 1942, #1 WW – 1944) 17)Sheik Rangel (#10 WW – 1942) 18)George Martin (beat Ralph Zannelli, Garvey Young, V. Vines, Pedro Montanez, Battling Battalino, Andy Callahan) 19)Tommy Bell (#1 WW – 1946, #2 WW – 1947) 20)George Costner (#5 WW – 1947, #2 WW – 1949) 21)Jimmy McDaniels (#4 WW – 1944) 22)O'Neill Bell (just beat George Costner, Jackie Wilson, and Fritzie Zivic back to back to back) 23)Joe Curcio (beat Fritzie Zivic, Cecil Hudson, and Johnny Green) 24)Vinnie Vines (beat Sam Baroudi and Jackie Alzek) 25)Ossie Harris (beat Tommy Bell, Reuben Shank, and Fritzie Zivic) 26)Cecil Hudson (beat Tommy Bell, Fritzie Zivic, Freddie Dixon, Ossie Harris, & Sheik Rangel) 27)Artie Levine (beat Jimmy Doyle, Marvin Bryant, Vic Dellicurti, Herbie Kronowitz, & Joe Agosta) 28)Georgie Abrams (#5 MW – 1946) 29)Jimmy Doyle (#2 WW – 1945, #7 WW – 1946) 30)Billy Nixon (beat Johnny Green, Buster Tyler, & Johnny Hutchinson) 31)Chuck Taylor (beat Frankie Abrams, Tony Pellone, and Honeychile Johnson) 32)Henry Brimm (beat Vic Dellicurti, Holman Williams, Joey DeJohn, Arte Towne, & Tony Elizondo) 33)Bernard Docusen (#3 WW – 1948 & 1949) 34)Kid Gavilan (#1 WW – 1948, 1949, 1950, & 1951, WW Champ – 1952 & 1953) 35)Bobby Lee (beat Livio Minelli, Billy Nixon, Nava Esparza, Dorsey Lay, Honeychile Johnson, Chico Varona, & Gene Burton) 36)Don Lee (beat Jimmy McDaniels, Vince Foster, Sheik Rangel, Joe Danos, Howard Bleyhl, Billy Tierney) 37)Earl Turner (beat Sheik Rangel, Fred Apostoli, Cecil Hudson, Cocoa Kid, Don Lee, Jackie Wilson, George Costner, George Duke, etc) 38)Steve Belloise (#2 MW – 1948, #5 MW – 1949) 39)Al Mobley (beat Fritzie Zivic, Georgie Benton, Honeychile Johnson, George Martin, Sylvester Perkins, Otis Graham, & Bert Linam) 40)Aaron Wade (#7 MW – 1945) 41)Ray Barnes (#7 MW – 1950) 42)Robert Villemain (#3 MW – 1949, #8 MW – 1950, #9 MW – 1951) 43)Charley Fusari (#3 WW – 1950, #8 WW – 1951) 44)Jose Basora (#4 MW – 1943 & 1944) 45)Joe Rindone (beat Ralph Zannelli, Paul Pender, Bob Murphy, Pierre Langlois, Joe Blackwood, Charley Zivic, & Henry Lee) 46)Bobo Olson (#3 MW – 1952, MW Champ – 1953 & 1954, #1 MW – 1955) 47)Bobby Dykes (#2 WW – 1952, #5 MW – 1953) 48)Jean Stock (beat Randy Turpin, Bobby Dawson, Omar Kouidri, Cyrille Delannoit, Robert Charron, Edouard Tenet) 49)Luc van Dam (beat Jean Stock, Cyrille Delannoit, Jacques Royer Crecy, Albert Finch, Bep van Klaveren, & Felix Wouters) 50)Hans Stretz (beat Randy Turpin, Jacques Royer Crecy, Al Mobley, Peter Mueller, Rudi Pepper) (Carl Schmidt, Heinz Sanger, Alex Buxton, Johnny Sullivan, Franco Festucci) 51)Holley Mims (#8 MW – 1953, #3 MW – 1954, #6 MW – 1955) 52)Cyrille Delannoit (#5 MW – 1948) 53)Randy Turpin (#1 MW – 1951 & 1952, MW Champ – 1951) 54)Rocky Graziano (#3 MW – 1946, MW Champ – 1947, #10 MW – 1948 & 1951) 55)Garth Panter (beat Pierre Langlois, Walter Cartier, and Earl Turner) 56)Rocky Castellani (#1 MW – 1953, #2 MW – 1954, #5 MW – 1955) 57)Gene Fullmer (#1 MW – 1956, MW Champ – 1957, #2 MW – 1957 & 1958, #1 MW – 1959, 1960, 1961, & 1962) 58)Carmen Basilio (WW Champ – 1955 & 1956, MW Champ – 1957, #1 MW – 1958) 59)Denny Moyer (#9 MW – 1961, #6 MW – 1962, JMW Champ – 1963, #9 MW – 1968, #2 MW – 1969) 60)Ralph Dupas (#2 WW – 1961, #3 WW – 1962, #4 WW – 1963, JMW Champ – 1963) 61)Yoland Leveque (beat Bennie Briscoe, Jacques Marty, Art Hernandez, & Bo Hogberg) Bolded times he fought #1 contender or the current champ. This includes zero losses against WW and LW fighters, including against the best of both of those divisions of that time. With that alone he would have a better resume imo than Mayweather, but then he decided to fight multiple great MW opponents (including LaMotta while he was still literally a WW) and he had an excellent but not perfect run at that division. Angott, Zivic, LaMotta, Armstrong, Gavilan, Olson, Turpin, Graziano, Fullmer, Basilio are HOFers. (Granted that Armstrong was definitely not in his prime, but he was still pretty much the best opposition. A couple others arguably not prime.) Just a ludicruously stacked resume.... don't see the comparison at all.

Ah here we are. Btw, I of course did not spend the time it would take to put this together. These are The Ring ratings of the fighters he fought. 1)Pete Lello (#3 LW ***8211; 1940) 2)Sammy Angott (#1 LW ***8211; 1940, LW Champ ***8211; 1941, #2 LW ***8211; 1943, #8 WW ***8211; 1945) 3)Maxie Shapiro (#8 LW ***8211; 1942) 4)Marty Servo (WW Champ ***8211; 1946) 5)Fritzie Zivic (WW Champ ***8211; 1940, #3 WW ***8211; 1941, #8 WW 1942) 6)Maxie Berger (JWW Champ ***8211; 1939, #6 WW ***8211; 1940) 7)Norman Rubio (#10 WW ***8211; 1941) '8)Reuben Shank (#8 MW ***8211; 1943) 9)Tony Motisi (#9 WW ***8211; 1942) 10)Jake LaMotta (#6 MW ***8211; 1942, #1 MW ***8211; 1943, #2 MW ***8211; 1944, #3 MW ***8211; 1945, #1 MW ***8211; 1946) (#5 MW ***8211; 1947, #3 MW ***8211; 1948, MW Champ ***8211; 1949 & 1950) 11)Izzy Janazzo (#2 WW ***8211; 1940, #8 WW ***8211; 1941 & 1943) 12)Vic Dellicurti (#10 MW ***8211; 1944) 13)Al Nettlow (couple close fights with Bob Montgomery, beat Maxie Berger) 14)California Jackie Wilson (#2 WW ***8211; 1941, #3 WW ***8211; 1942) 15)Ralph Zannelli (#5 WW ***8211; 1943, #4 WW ***8211; 1947) 16)Henry Armstrong (WW Champ ***8211; 1938 & 1939, #1 WW ***8211; 1940, #2 WW ***8211; 1942, #1 WW ***8211; 1944) 17)Sheik Rangel (#10 WW ***8211; 1942) 18)George Martin (beat Ralph Zannelli, Garvey Young, V. Vines, Pedro Montanez, Battling Battalino, Andy Callahan) 19)Tommy Bell (#1 WW ***8211; 1946, #2 WW ***8211; 1947) 20)George Costner (#5 WW ***8211; 1947, #2 WW ***8211; 1949) 21)Jimmy McDaniels (#4 WW ***8211; 1944) 22)O'Neill Bell (just beat George Costner, Jackie Wilson, and Fritzie Zivic back to back to back) 23)Joe Curcio (beat Fritzie Zivic, Cecil Hudson, and Johnny Green) 24)Vinnie Vines (beat Sam Baroudi and Jackie Alzek) 25)Ossie Harris (beat Tommy Bell, Reuben Shank, and Fritzie Zivic) 26)Cecil Hudson (beat Tommy Bell, Fritzie Zivic, Freddie Dixon, Ossie Harris, & Sheik Rangel) 27)Artie Levine (beat Jimmy Doyle, Marvin Bryant, Vic Dellicurti, Herbie Kronowitz, & Joe Agosta) 28)Georgie Abrams (#5 MW ***8211; 1946) 29)Jimmy Doyle (#2 WW ***8211; 1945, #7 WW ***8211; 1946) 30)Billy Nixon (beat Johnny Green, Buster Tyler, & Johnny Hutchinson) 31)Chuck Taylor (beat Frankie Abrams, Tony Pellone, and Honeychile Johnson) 32)Henry Brimm (beat Vic Dellicurti, Holman Williams, Joey DeJohn, Arte Towne, & Tony Elizondo) 33)Bernard Docusen (#3 WW ***8211; 1948 & 1949) 34)Kid Gavilan (#1 WW ***8211; 1948, 1949, 1950, & 1951, WW Champ ***8211; 1952 & 1953) 35)Bobby Lee (beat Livio Minelli, Billy Nixon, Nava Esparza, Dorsey Lay, Honeychile Johnson, Chico Varona, & Gene Burton) 36)Don Lee (beat Jimmy McDaniels, Vince Foster, Sheik Rangel, Joe Danos, Howard Bleyhl, Billy Tierney) 37)Earl Turner (beat Sheik Rangel, Fred Apostoli, Cecil Hudson, Cocoa Kid, Don Lee, Jackie Wilson, George Costner, George Duke, etc) 38)Steve Belloise (#2 MW ***8211; 1948, #5 MW ***8211; 1949) 39)Al Mobley (beat Fritzie Zivic, Georgie Benton, Honeychile Johnson, George Martin, Sylvester Perkins, Otis Graham, & Bert Linam) 40)Aaron Wade (#7 MW ***8211; 1945) 41)Ray Barnes (#7 MW ***8211; 1950) 42)Robert Villemain (#3 MW ***8211; 1949, #8 MW ***8211; 1950, #9 MW ***8211; 1951) 43)Charley Fusari (#3 WW ***8211; 1950, #8 WW ***8211; 1951) 44)Jose Basora (#4 MW ***8211; 1943 & 1944) 45)Joe Rindone (beat Ralph Zannelli, Paul Pender, Bob Murphy, Pierre Langlois, Joe Blackwood, Charley Zivic, & Henry Lee) 46)Bobo Olson (#3 MW ***8211; 1952, MW Champ ***8211; 1953 & 1954, #1 MW ***8211; 1955) 47)Bobby Dykes (#2 WW ***8211; 1952, #5 MW ***8211; 1953) 48)Jean Stock (beat Randy Turpin, Bobby Dawson, Omar Kouidri, Cyrille Delannoit, Robert Charron, Edouard Tenet) 49)Luc van Dam (beat Jean Stock, Cyrille Delannoit, Jacques Royer Crecy, Albert Finch, Bep van Klaveren, & Felix Wouters) 50)Hans Stretz (beat Randy Turpin, Jacques Royer Crecy, Al Mobley, Peter Mueller, Rudi Pepper) (Carl Schmidt, Heinz Sanger, Alex Buxton, Johnny Sullivan, Franco Festucci) 51)Holley Mims (#8 MW ***8211; 1953, #3 MW ***8211; 1954, #6 MW ***8211; 1955) 52)Cyrille Delannoit (#5 MW ***8211; 1948) 53)Randy Turpin (#1 MW ***8211; 1951 & 1952, MW Champ ***8211; 1951) 54)Rocky Graziano (#3 MW ***8211; 1946, MW Champ ***8211; 1947, #10 MW ***8211; 1948 & 1951) 55)Garth Panter (beat Pierre Langlois, Walter Cartier, and Earl Turner) 56)Rocky Castellani (#1 MW ***8211; 1953, #2 MW ***8211; 1954, #5 MW ***8211; 1955) 57)Gene Fullmer (#1 MW ***8211; 1956, MW Champ ***8211; 1957, #2 MW ***8211; 1957 & 1958, #1 MW ***8211; 1959, 1960, 1961, & 1962) 58)Carmen Basilio (WW Champ ***8211; 1955 & 1956, MW Champ ***8211; 1957, #1 MW ***8211; 1958) 59)Denny Moyer (#9 MW ***8211; 1961, #6 MW ***8211; 1962, JMW Champ ***8211; 1963, #9 MW ***8211; 1968, #2 MW ***8211; 1969) 60)Ralph Dupas (#2 WW ***8211; 1961, #3 WW ***8211; 1962, #4 WW ***8211; 1963, JMW Champ ***8211; 1963) 61)Yoland Leveque (beat Bennie Briscoe, Jacques Marty, Art Hernandez, & Bo Hogberg) Bolded times he fought #1 contender or the current champ. Angott, Zivic, LaMotta, Armstrong, Gavilan, Olson, Turpin, Graziano, Fullmer, Basilio are HOFers. (Granted that Armstrong was definitely not in his prime, but he was still pretty much the best opposition. A couple others arguably not prime.) Just a ludicruously stacked resume.... don't see the comparison at all.

WTF was Jennings doing? Release and get open

I think you have to consider everything, the wins and losses, the quality of their opposition. I put zero value to the PPV records and public attention received (though Mayweather and his team made an art of turning hatred into $), because they have no significant bearing on ability and resume. SRR's quality of opposition is absolutely undeniable. Of course in 200 fights it wasn't 200 ATGs he was facing, but he fought a who's who of a strong era. Wins over multiple HOFers. He went 128-1 in his first decade as a pro before losing to Turpin, and in that time he swept up the stacked WW division with only one loss in that time to Jake LaMotta, aka a MW not a WW(official weights 144.5 to 160.5 respectively), and who he would beat many times after that. I couldn't even fathom putting together an argument that Mayweather's resume is better. EDIT: Shoot I was looking for something I saved that had his opponents rankings at times and the number of times he fought the #1 available guy is staggering. You'd never see that today, and I'm not even pointing the finger at just Mayweather with that acccusation. Lots of fighters are straight shook to take on real challenges. If fighters were fighting more often I wouldn't mind occasional weaker opponents. But if you fight twice a year and one guy is a bum it's kind of frustrating.

It's a nearly unobtainable goal nowadays since the top fighters are considered investments and have their opponent choices micromanaged to the point that we're never sure how "legit" anyone is Ray Robinson had a professional record of 173-19-6... How likely is it we see that again I don't think Ali is GOAT... It's arguable if he even has the best HW resume of his century... He's tied up in the political climate of the day and was a crossover celebrity though so you get attacked for saying it only 21 championship fights though. 14-7 38 years old! Who did Robinson beat at 38? hell who did Robinson defend his titles against when he was champion? believe me resume for resume they weren't much better than Berto, maybe Jake Lamotta? Fight 200 times, with about 15 meaningful fights, 155 tomato cans, 30 top 10 contenders. ouch...............

u need to have the mentality to prove ur greatness. the greatest boxer of all time shouldn't pick and choose. shouldn't make excuses or put up road blocks. they should FIGHT and WIN!!!! FIGHT AND BEAT THE BEST IN THEIR PRIME!!! DON'T AVOID!!!! - beat fellow hof'ers IN THEIR PRIME AT THEIR BEST (NOT WAITING UNTIL THEY GET OLD OR LOSE A STEP) - having great accolades and achievements - NOT AVOIDING REAL THREATS (YOU FIGHT THEM!!!!!) - winning world titles like a hero - not making excuses to not fight so and so, putting up road blocks, dictating terms on ur opponent for ur advantage - taking unnecessary vacations when there is FIGHTING TO BE DONE AND GREATNESS TO BE ACHIEVED!!!!! We all know your distaste for Mayweather but to be truthful Pac is far from the greatest as well!!!!

One thing I notice at the top of most ATG List is that most of them are SKILLED BOXERS, in fact it is barely any Sluggers at the Top of Those ATG List which I find Ironic but also shows you how STUPID Boxing fans have become before for some stupid reason they think they Excitement is what determines greatness when in actuality a lot of the Legends would have been called "BORING" as well in this current ERA. Anyway that is another Topic! But No question it takes SKILLS that is #1 then after that then it is Resume, how you performed in match big ups win or lose says a lot. Also what impact did you make on the sport and how you influenced the ERA after you. This is what Makes Tyson Great probably more so than his skills in the ring, his Influence was strong, every promoter was looking for the next Tyson! Unfortunately the way fans are now, you will likely NEVER see a fighter be considered "THE GREATEST". Fight fans are too negative and hateful now, they can't even admit defeat so how are they going to admit when someone is great or one of the greatest or the greatest. Also I don't think boxing has the talent for fighters to accumulate a great Resume. How can your fighter build up a resume when you stupid ass fans run around calling everybody a "BUM" besides the guy you like Damn near all of this is on spot!!!!

To become the greatest of all time, it takes multiple different things being inside and outside of the ring. Both Joe Louis and Robinson made impacts inside the ring being African American Champions during a time when boxing was the biggest sport in the world and they were often hated upon even more than Mayweather; yet to make impacts in people lives that has in almost a century has yet to be forgotten. Ali... Well you would have to be completely idiotic not to understand the reasoning behind his self proclaimed title of the "Greatest" and to argue his impact in and out of the ring would make you a Fool! Mayweather has yet to make a single impact outside of the ring... The biggest impact was his showing a dark side than a good. Same with Pacquiao... Yet to make an impact outside, (being a congressman is great but considering the history and current state of politics in the Philippines it doesn't mean too much). Both great fighters of their time but far from the greatest ever. Mayweather has yet to win a truly meaningful fight since Castillo... De La Hoya. Pac hasn't won a meaningful fight since Hatton.

One thing I notice at the top of most ATG List is that most of them are SKILLED BOXERS, in fact it is barely any Sluggers at the Top of Those ATG List which I find Ironic but also shows you how STUPID Boxing fans have become before for some stupid reason they think they Excitement is what determines greatness when in actuality a lot of the Legends would have been called "BORING" as well in this current ERA. Anyway that is another Topic! But No question it takes SKILLS that is #1 then after that then it is Resume, how you performed in match big ups win or lose says a lot. Also what impact did you make on the sport and how you influenced the ERA after you. This is what Makes Tyson Great probably more so than his skills in the ring, his Influence was strong, every promoter was looking for the next Tyson! Unfortunately the way fans are now, you will likely NEVER see a fighter be considered "THE GREATEST". Fight fans are too negative and hateful now, they can't even admit defeat so how are they going to admit when someone is great or one of the greatest or the greatest. Also I don't think boxing has the talent for fighters to accumulate a great Resume. How can your fighter build up a resume when you stupid ass fans run around calling everybody a "BUM" besides the guy you like

Beating a genuine elite fighter in their prime always helps. Something Mayweather never came close to doing.

Three things. Skills Resume Accomplishments. You have to beat all your contemporaries, collect championships, break records, beat HOF's ATG's and champions all while showing once in a lifetime like skill. You also have to have everything it takes to be an ATG, ie, speed, reflexes, power, defense, ring IQ so on and so forth. Actually typing this out makes me feel Floyd is really TBE lol he has everything I look for in an ATG.

Henry Armstrong was 12 years older at the time and he had already 150+fights, he was clearly past his prime by the time he fought Robinson. I sparring sessions of today count as fights then fighters of today would have 200+ fights too, Robinson has fought many sparring partner level opponents in official fights and in rare cases in title defenses, he didn't have 2 months camps for his fights early in his career, he fought 2 times a month sometimes. 24-25 pounds is almost the same, also consider that better nutrition and fitness is better on all fighters today too, not just Floyd Mayweather, so his opponents were of course physically stronger than the ones from the past. What makes today's fighters stronger?

It's impossible. The rules are completely different. How do you compare fighters that fought 15 rounds to guys that only fight 12. Guys with 215 fights to guys with 40. Guys who dealt with racism and fought well out of their depths to guys that are professionally managed. Guys that had one belt vs guys that have the chance to fight for 4. 8 weight divisions to 17 weight divisions. I mean it's an entirely different sport if you think about it.

Don't forget WHEN he fought these people, and out of 200 fights he could only pick 6 legit foes, who weren't near his level to begin with, these guys got famous cuz they BEAT or gave Robinson tough fights, without Robinson nobody would know much about these guys. I don't think any of these people were ever ranked P4P. You wanna compare names for names, Floyd got Chicinito Hernandez in his 18th fight, Diego Corrales (P4P #5), Castillo, Judah, Baldomir, Dela Hoya, Hatton (undefeated and P4P rated), Marquez (P4P #2), Mosley (P4P #3), Cotto, Guerrero (P4P rated), Canelo (P4P rated), Maidana, Pacquiao (P4P #2). Different eras, different conditions, comparisons are invalid, both were great in their own eras and that's the best any fighter could do, is to be the absolute best of their era and they were, all time rankings are a joke especially when fighters from the 40s get compared from fighters of today. Please don't mention Marquez. Marquez moved up two divisions, had his first fight there against Floyd, and had a catchweight that Floyd did not even attempt to make. Seriously. He moved up from Lightweight just to fight Floyd at 144 (again, Floyd didn't even try to make this catch weight). Mosley was a decent win, but it happened too late. Mosley was already declining... Canelo was a catch weight fight at 152. Canelo barely makes the 154 margin because he drains himself so hard--- making 152 was horrible for him. Although I still think he lacks, when was he ever P4P rated? Pacquiao... I'd give him a lot more credit if this was several years ago. I think Floyd would have won, but this fight was a different Pacquiao. The fight should have happened before he got KO'd by Marquez. Plus, 140 or lower would have been a better fight for Pacquiao (although maybe not for Floyd). Or hell, him and Floyd at an even lower weight would have been awesome to see (because we all know Floyd's best weight class was not at welterweight). ODLH is another fight that happened too late. The end of ODLH's career and decline as a fighter. Compare this to say, Sugar Ray Leonard, or Ali. There are no wins in Floyd's career that trumps/compare to Sugar Ray Leonard's win over the greatest Welterweight of all-time, Thomas Hearns, or Ali's win over Foreman.

There is a HUGE difference. Ali fought and defeated 4 olympic gold medalists, as well as having one himself. Floyd Patterson, Joe Frazier, George Foreman, Leon Spinks. Floyds opponents have rarely even had a notable amateur background. Not surprisingly, he avoided most of them that did. Kostya Tszyu - 2 x World Amateur Champion Erislandy Lara - World Amateur Champion, favorite for olympics, but defected. Joel Casamayor - Olympic Gold Medalist Amir Khan - Olympic Silver Medalist Floyd's fights all look the same, because he fights fighter that fight the same over and over again. Seriously, when is the last time you saw Floyd in the ring with a legitimately skilled slick boxer? Maybe the Cotto fight? He's done a good job of not hand picking that one's that have been around. And to say it's because of marketability. That is no longer a valid argument after the selection of Berto. A fight that people that was someone trolling when rumors started to spread. Who cares if a fighter hasn't fought fighters with amateur backgrounds?