Like Barry Mcguigan? :lol1:
At least his mustache amused me. The Modern day HoF has a few weak links, but that doesn't suddenly mean we should put in more of them.
# The Ring magazine's World Light Welterweight Champion
# IBO World Light Welterweight Champion
# Former 2x IBF World Light Welterweight Champion
# Former WBA World Light Welterweight Champion
# Former WBA World Welterweight Champion
# Former WBU Light Welterweight Champion
# Former British Light Welterweight Champion
# Former WBO Inter-Continental Light Welterweight Champion
# Former WBA Inter-Continental Light Welterweight Champion
# The Ring magazine's 2005 'Fighter of the Year'
45 Wins 2 Losses
His 2 losses against two of the best fighters this decade.
# Hatton beat an old Tszyu who quit on the stool and Hatton had the advantage of a ref that was more than favorable to his style.
# Stepped up in weight to Welterweight to almost lose to Luis Collazo.
# Beating an old, bad Castillo
# Losing to Mayweather.
# Getting rocked by Lazcano and arguably having the ref save you.
# Beating the lightest puncher of all time.
# Embarrassed by Pacquiao.
Only an irrational hater would deny that Ricky Hatton belongs in the HOF.
Honestly, if Hatton gets in where do we draw the line? Suddenly everybody whose ever held a title or two gets in? It should be reserved for, oh, I don't know, great fighters.
How is he a hype machine? He won world titles ffs, people like Khan is a hype machine. Not someone who worked himself up from nothing to winning a world title and beating one of the p4p kings.
It seems like you'd be the one to ask around here:
What does Ricky's spunk taste like? Seems like you've chugged a lot of it.
You people are ridiculous in your defense of a mediocre fighter such as Hatton. The only reason he's mentioned is he is British. He might've carried British boxing during his time, but I'd say that's a huge, depressing fact and not something to be proud of.
He was more than a paper title holder.
Ricky was champion at 140 for four years.
And he captured the hearts of his fans as much as anyone ever has, having about 50,000 come over for the Floyd fight and 30,000 come to Vegas for the Pacquiao fight, even though they knew there were no tickets available. If that isn't "fame" then what is? :)
So being popular is simply the key to the HoF. Shit, somebody get Tye Fields' ticket ready since he'll be a shoe in from our comments alone.
If it's purely based on things like that are we throwing in Gatti, Ward, or Augustus? Shit, they're entertaining and fans love 'em.
The plan isn't hard to make for Pac. It just has to be unrelenting pressure. It's not so much a strategy as it is a test of conditioning. Pac has to be able to fight the full 12 rounds in great shape because if he fades that's when Mayweather would pull ahead and start landing flush frequently.
Pacquiao but not by as much as some wanna act like it is...
That. Not to mention, who looks at the last 10 opponents? What is that a realistic judge of that matters?
I stand by my previous statements on this fight:
JMM won clearly. Not even debatable. If you think MAB won then there is no hope for you. Stop watching boxing and start watching fishing or something.
Was it a blow out? No, but JMM clearly won.
I'd say the problem with overrating him is he just beat a bum. Hatton is basically a bum that never deserved to be in the ring with him. If you want to praise pacquiao for his career.... Hatton plays a very, very, very small role in it.
People make way too big of a deal about a few pounds here and there. A couple pounds in either direction only truly matters if one of the fighters kills themselves to make the weight and are either in rough shape for the fight or rehydrate to be much, much larger.
It's the same reason I don't view the accomplishments of PBF/Pacquiao as highly as Jones' as far as hopping divisions to go up in weight. Despite it being used as an excuse often and discussed even more often about how awesome fighters are I tend to ignore it and instead just understand how overblown all that talk is.
RJJ at 17 is hilarious. Absolutely hilarious.
Kids these days...
I wonder where you stole the list from in all honesty though. I imagine you found another 100 and just jumbled up a few names and bumped them all down to find a spot for Pac near the top.
Seriously, why is a flush punch needed?
Floyd hardly hits with big power and put him on his ass. Collazo nearly put him on his ass and had there been a rematch I'd have wagered major bank that Collazo would've won. Hell, he was nearly knocked down by Lazcano.
At least Paulie didn't almost do it I guess...
As I've said in a few other threads.... people are too quick to tell Hatton to hang 'em up. Yes he is overrated and in my opinion never deserved to be in the ring with the likes of PBF or Pacquiao... but he is decent enough to be a contender at 140 or at least a challenger. If he thinks that's an insult to his skill or doesn't want to deal with less money per fight then he can pack it up.
But this fight didn't show that Hatton is done... it just showed that Hatton was never that great to begin with, something I've said for years at this point.
I would hope an educated sportscaster could outdebate PBF. This is hardly shocking, or impressive.
If PBF had finished the interview looking good I'd have been shocked. The fact that anybody thinks this is even noteworthy is telling though.
all I'm saying is that if Castillo gave Mayweather trouble. Juan Manuel Marquez in his prime could've done the same or better. Jose L.Castillo had 4 loses by Tko before fighting Floyd. That has never happen to Marquez.
I love when people bring up fights they've never seen.
Oh shit, Castillo was losing fights at age 20 when he was fighting fairly solid opposition as a professional? Nevermind that 2 of them went on to become belt holders though. Castillo was a bum clearly.
There will be no credit for Floyd if he win this fight. Everyone knows Floyd would destroy little Marquez. If Floyd couldn't KO Marquez that would be lame.
So Pacquiao is lame for not being able to knock him out in 2 different fights; or is this just a standard reserved for Floyd?
There's a chance the fight gets stopped from Marquez taking too much punishment or maybe getting held up on the ropes; but no way he eats a 10 count from PBF.
I'd put Shavers at #1 all time hardest hitter at HW.
Lower weights there's a lot more discussion I think, and going through individually would be a huge pain in the ass.
Weight is a huge issue, Marquez is jumping up almost 10 or more pounds plus fight night he will probably be either the smaller or heavier opponent depending on how well he puts on the weight. When weight doesn't matter to someone like Mayweather he can fight in any weight class between 140-147 because he comes in fight night about the same each time at around 147-148.
It's a matter of how a person's frame/body can hold the weight. It's much easier for a fighter to move up in weight at those limits then in the higher weight classes. That being said, moving up is also 10x easier than moving down in weight.
While it's a jump for marquez, it's not like it's over 2 full divisions or something crazy.
Decent question. Castillo fought long and hard and his body couldn't deal with it. Despite being the same age they just aren't the same age in the ring.
Castillo has had his fair share of big and imortant wins, as has Marquez. I honestly probably place it at a dead heat, but on this forum I guarantee Marquez will be put well ahead. Ask this poll 2 years ago and you'd get a very different outcome.
People make way too much about of weight when it comes to boxing, especially at the lower limits. There are times when the weight shifts are a big deal; this wouldn't be one of them.
It's not as though Mayweather's frame is so large compared to Marquez. Now Marquez vs somebody like Cotto at that weight is another story.
The size difference is a big factor for this fight. Pac never did KO Marquez but knocking him down 4 times in 2 fights sounds very impressive and remember they are almost the same size. Now we all know Mayweather is the bigger man he should knock Marquez out or atleast knock Marquez 3-4 times or else Pac will laugh at his shit.
This is gonna' get old fast. Seriously, Mayweather is not much larger than Marquez. And more over, Mayweather doesn't eve bulk up on fight night. He usually puts on just a couple of pounds at most come fight night whereas every other fighter will put on more. Weight, while to Mayweather's advantage in this fight, is not worth discussing beyond a footnote.
Mayweathers biggest test in his career was Castillo in which he shouldve lost. Hatton and DLh just got destroyed by Manny and those were his supposed biggest wins. FLoyd never fought Cotto Mosley or williams when they were in his division for a damn good reason. He cant hang with the top echelon on fighters. Marquez has Barrera Morales pacquiao diaz and casamayor definite dangerous fighters that mayweather wouldve never fought if he was at athe same weight as marquez
So your argument is based around the fact that retards claimed Hatton and ODLH were his biggest wins and on your pure opinion that FLoyd wouldn't have fought some of the names on Marque's resume if he were at that weight?
Great logic.
First off; he didn't even fight Morales. You then mention Casamayor who is pretty equal with that of the old ODLH. Barrera was a complete shell of himself at that time. I'm not going to pick apart his whole resume because it's still good. However, Mayweather, even with a couple of years of weaker opposition, still has plenty of very solid names.
Love him or hate him FMJ is an ATG, not debatable really.
^^ This
Mayweather might proclaim his greatness first and foremost, but you wont find anybody who's not a complete retard who disagrees.
Jesus. Really people? Marquez? Have you all started smoking crack? I'll admit it's not a landslide, but it's Mayweather.
Anybody who says it's "Marquez by far" is full of shit. Close, but it's Mayweather.
The quality of the product they put out is better? Did you see Silva/Griffin?
Seriously, who are we to tell a fighter how much they are worth? If Pac can demand 20 million and someone wants to pay it, I say hooray for Manny! Where in the world do you think the money comes from to pay for a fight the level of Cotto/Pac?
I watch basically every fight out of the UFC, Strikeforce, and any boxing event. I don't remember the last bad UFC card I watched. A main event can falter or end prematurely; but usually the undercard is something worth watching. Undercards on 90% of boxing PPV's are trash. Generally a solid fighter taking on some mediocre opponent as a stepping stone to hopefully be a main event opponent in a year or two.
I agree. Hooray capitalism and if fighters can make so much money fighting a couple of times a year that's their prerogative. The reason they have to get paid so much is in part due to the # of people with their hands in fighters pockets. But the point here is irrelevant as if the trends continue the UFC will be able to pay its top tier fighters much more; and they've been bumping salaries for a while now.
PPV Revenue
Casino Site Fee - by the way this is the key. Boxing fans will gamble much more money than UFC fans and the casinos know it. Therefore they will pay a much higher site fee for the mega boxing match than they ever would for a UFC event because they know their gaming revenues and the end of the week end are going to be enormous!
Unless you give me some sort of data on this it is simply your speculation. Even if it were true; I'm not sure of the relevence to the discussion. How do casinos making money factor into making a good boxing or ufc card?
Ad Dollars
Imagine the UFC having an event where they had to pay off 40 million in purses!
Another point that has no relevance. But could the UFC pay that much out? Given the add revenue they make as well as how well their average PPV card does I don't know what's to think they wouldn't be able to.
You are completely missing the point and continuing to compare apples to oranges. Sure boxing did more PPV's when you add in the small time promoter funded PPV events. I am comparing mega fight PPV's against the UFC's 12 a year. Boxing's mega fights generate much more money and cost much more money. Therefore, they can not do them as often as UFC does their mega fights monthly. The purses for the fighters are much higher in mega fights and the A list fighters do not fight as often.
Once again you're missing the point. The point is that this is why boxing should change. Not reasons why they can't be compared. The UFC doesn't need "mega-fights" because the quality of the product they put out is better. Boxing needs to follow suit.