Postol was a good win but Matthysse was at the end of his career and had a few losses when they fought. Bridgerweight definitely is the weakest division in boxing right now but there have been a few 'decent' champions like Okolie and that Dagestani with an elite amateur background. Also, who knows, the weight class might explode in the near future and become more glamourous.
I have Crawford as the current p4p #1 but Usyk's defeat of a PRIME Fury (twice) was more impressive (especially since Canelo is at the end of his career too) whereas beating prime Gassiev & Breidis combined in on PAR par with beating Spence (post life-changing car crash).
Why discredit a fighter to prop another? They both have very impressive wins. You say Canelo is towards the end, but believe that 36yr old Fury who has been boxing since 2008 was prime. Neither was prime, but still very great wins. Crawford also has fought and been champion in 5 divisions, so I don't believe it is just 3x undisputed separating.
Beating Canelo was indeed a GREAT win but not as impressive as beating Fury (twice) because Tyson was undefeated at the time whereas Canelo had already lost a couple and had almost DOUBLE the number of pro fights. Therefore, Fury was in his prime and the fresher fighter.
As for the weight classes, Crawford started his career as the much smaller man so was able to conquer MORE weight divisions (like Pacquiao) whereas Usyk is the naturally bigger guy so could only really move up to Heavyweight.
Still, I take nothing away from Crawford as becoming 3x undisputed is a history-making achievement. However, this ISN'T the only thing that differentiates him from the other elite fighter's. The fact that he's the only genuine switch hitter who's equally good in both stances and actually beat both Spence & Canelo fighting southpaw (when he normally fights orthodox) is mind blowing.
I can agree to disagree on Fury's prime and I was also very impressed with Usyk's win over him. IMO Canelo, even with losses, is a better/greater fighter than Fury before and now. The best single win between the two of them is Crawford's. I can see how two wins over a top fighter is better than one. Skill for skill, I don't have anybody currently above Crawford, which is why I have him PFP #1 after a great win. For the record, I have personally had them flip flopping for the last 2 years with Inoue even jumping in briefly after the Fulton domination. He was unlucky that the Spence fight happened later that week.
I'm not saying it's a great match up but Shakur Schofield is way worse. He is fighting a prospect with 0 experience fighting at world level.
Roach might be champ at 130 but still a world champ with experience with opponents who were at world level.
You have to consider that fact that Schofield is the highest ranked for the WBA. He was either going to fight another champ or try his mandatory at the WBA. I do think his experience level is low, but he is not an unranked fighter. He is officially contender status. The only way to get experience at world level is to fight a world level fighter. 135 is stacked with them and this is probably his best option (less stain in a loss). Lamont is 130 and he lost to Herring and got a SD vs the guy Tank dominated and ko'ed. As a boxing fan, I know all fights are different, but on paper this fight looks really bad to me. I have no expectation of Roach even being competitive. I don't think Schofield will be either, but at least there is some unknown, considering we haven't seen him on this stage.
Shakur Schofield is worse. Tank Shakur should be fighting each other
I disagree that it is worse on paper, unless you mean otherwise. They have history, are in the same weight class, and are both undefeated. Roach is a 130lb champion moving up just to fight Tank and go back. Tank is #1 in the division and instead of fighting someone in the top 10 of the division, he is fighting a 130lb champion.
I agree, I had it 7-5 Beterbiev. I did think they were going to give it to Bivol though, the way the commentators were talking. At no point did it look like Bivol was the "ring general" as they kept stating. He did display some very good defense for a lot of the fight though.
I think Errol was trying to box Mikey to prove a point that he can outbox a boxer...he went back to his steam rolling ways after that fight.
This would be believable to me if he said he was going to do this before the fight. Before the fight he said to Mikey's face "if I can get you out of there then I'm going to get you out of there." I will add in to counter the other guy you are responding to though, Errol landed 345 punches on Mikey vs 75. KO or not, he definitely put a hurting on Mikey and made him look like he should retire.
I had it 5-3 Tank. I gave tank the nod in one of the rounds (don't remember which) where he stole it with a nice flurry in the last 15 secs. I could easily see 4-4 though.
So Bivol doesn’t deserve a rematch because he beat him clearly? Surely that would make Canelo undeserving, not Bivol.
I think you are misinterpreting what he is saying. He is basically saying that he is lucky (huge money) that Canelo is willing to do a rematch considering Canelo got dominated. You could replace lucky with fortunate, but either way, I never expected Canelo to fight him again. I believe he will be dominated at 168 also, unless Bivol is just sick from draining.
It make no sense. By that logic Ali didn’t deserve a rematch with Liston. :lol1:
Bivol earned every penny by clearly beating Canelo despite being a 4/1 underdog. Canelo now has a loss he should want to try and avenge. Bivol isn’t lucky, he earned it in the ring.
I'm not sure why you think because somebody is lucky, it means they weren't deserving. The money is what makes him lucky, he gets an easy fight(if you ask me) against a huge name opponent that earns him legacy and a big pay day. Luck is Canelo actually thinking he can win in a rematch. Canelo does not have to fight him and does not have a history of rematches outside of GGG. Canelo is probably the most watched boxer in boxing. If Bivol drops to 168, it is obviously for the cash. I'm not saying Bivol owes Canelo anything or that he didn't earn his in the ring. There is just a lot of uncommon things that when put together make him look pretty lucky to me, he gets to hit the lotto twice.
Shakur should be fighting Haney now instead of Loma. He’s supposedly the future of TR and Loma is on his last legs. He should’ve tried to force his way into a title shot, especially with Haney on the last fight of his TR contract. Now TR has no control of the belts if Haney wins and goes back to DAZN which is what he probably does.
It would have been tough to justify Shakur getting a shot before Loma. There was a lot of hype around Haney vs Loma, though I do agree that Loma is on the decline. Shakur hadn't yet fought at 135 when they finalized the fight and Loma is ranked #1 in WBO and WBC.
https://twitter.com/ChavaESPN/status/1674897204870279168?s=20
Found it pretty hilarious how Canelo was dead set on cherrypicking Spence at 168lbs before Crawford ruined his plans yet keeps making excuses about wanting no part of Crawford at 168. Heck, he's already cherrypicking a 154lber who hasn't fought at 168lbs in his entire life and who will coming off a 16 month layoff. I don't want to hear that BS "hE's tOo sMaLl" from Canelo.
To Canelo's credit, when asked about Crawford, he said it would have to be at 168. I believe he just didn't think Crawford would be willing, which he wasn't until just recently.
I think Spence looked good. When I thought he got hurt I was questioning him until the replay, he just made a dumb mistake. I still got Crawford if they fight, but man, I'm more excited than I was after the Danny fight.
Haney looked good, but this fight was not very entertaining from my perspective. I would still watch the rematch because I like watching boxing, but not every fight is going to be entertaining to boxing fans.
That’s not how judges score fights though. Fans put more emphasis on jabs than judges do. This is why every other fight is called a robbery. Many fans are looking for something in a round, that the judges don’t really care about.
Judges aren’t looking for jabs. They are looking for meaningful blows to the head and body. Easy-to-score punches. Head snapping punches. Punches that make the crowd react. Judges look for power punches. “Who landed more? Oh, Fighter A? Okay. Fighter A gets the round then.”
This is what I kept trying to explain to everyone that claimed GGG was robbed vs Canelo. Yes GGG outjabbed Canelo, and landed a bunch of jabs for punches. But Canelo outlanded GGG in 6 of 12 rounds in power punches, so the fight was scored a draw. In the rematch, Canelo outlanded GGG in pwr punches in 9 rounds out of 12, Canelo was given the nod. But it was a robbery.
Some fans are just too stubborn though. They really take the saying “the jab is the most important punch in boxing” to heart. It’s the most important punch due to various reasons, none of those reasons being that solely landing a jab gives you all the rounds.
For the record, Haney landed more power shots and jabs than Kambosos. He also threw more power and jabs than Kambosos. Jabs snap the head also and Kambosos head was popping all night.
Haney UD lomachenko
He's not an elderly midget blown up, he's not going to fall for lomas **** he will outbox him comfortably.
After the fight the loma fanboys will say well loma is old and he beats all these guys a few years ago (even though there's no evidence of that)
Very predictable.
I really can't see Haney winning. I will give him props if he does though.
He didn’t do horribly either. I had it the same as the two judges, 116-112. I know some fans called those bad scorecards, but time and time again, I tell boxing fans that most judges judge meaningful punches landed per round. Not who outjabbed who.
116-112 is 8 rounds to 4.
Compubox shows that Haney outlanded Kambosos in the power punch department in 7 rounds to 4, with round 1 tied at 5 each. But if you watch round 1, you can see why Haney got the nod on that one. He landed the 5 better power punches.
Not saying Compubox shows 100% what happened in a fight, but it can supplement scorecard discussions for those who watched the fight.
Anyway, two judges scored the fight very accurately imo. The 118-110 scorecard comes off as the judge being scared of looking corrupt. 116-112 was the same fight I saw and I thought those were fair scorecards.
I gave Kambosos 1 round definitively (round 2) and I scored a second round for him where it kind of close, but he landed a few good punches. I felt like I was trying to find a reason to give him a round to make the fight better, but 118-110 was pretty damn accurate IMO.
Dude, seriously?
GOOGLE THOSE. Stop being lazy.
I saw the interviews, but you are taking snippets and quoting them as if there was no context. It is pointless for me to explain especially if after I told you the context of the 60-40 comment, you follow up with the same quote.
He's never been any good, people hype him up way too much, Khan outboxed the **** out of him before his chin gave out, got gift Ws against Herrera and Peterson, fought a washed Thurman. His best accomplishment is not getting KOd by Spence.
Garcia was very solid, just a bit fluffed based on a robbery or two. Thurman was prime in that fight though and Danny fought well. I do however agree with your overall sentiment, he definitely got some elite treatment even though he lost every significant fight at 147.
Floyd can't block Spence from fighting because Spence works directly with TGB Promotions and his own Mandown Promotions.
PBC has very little to do with which fights Spence takes based on the arrangement - Al Haymon provides advice only.
Crawford is independent.
What Floyd's likely talking about is that there are a LOT of things that need to be sorted in terms of who has rights to what and more importantly, the split.
Remember, it was Crawford on record who said, basically, "60-40 to ME or NO FIGHT!"
Which he doesn't deserve, since Spence is the clear A-Side.
Cherry picking that quote is on par with lying, unless you didn't hear/read the rest. Spence said 60-40 and Crawford responded with that. Basically saying if the fight is 60-40 then it better be in my favor. Other than that, I agree with your Floyd take. It is tough to believe Coppinger when neither fighter works with espn/TR.
Crawford said the fight isn't happening if he doesn't get 60-40 (B-Side doesn't make that call).
Crawford said he's "thinking about other things right now (on DAZN when asked about fighting Shawn Porter)
Crawford said he wants Pacquiao (when asked with Arum about fighting Spence and Arum said Spence is the fight he wants to make next)
Crawford then said he's moving on, he doesn't care about the Spence fight anymore, etc etc.
He said those things. That's not lying, that's what the man sat up there and said.
You never heard Devin Haney be like, "nah, I don't want to fight for undisputed, I'm thinking about other things..."
I feel like you are trolling, but if that is how you remember things, I will agree to disagree.
So they should fight each other, but Canelo should not fight either of them? Why not?
Because he is not at 160 and will probably never go back. They should fight each other or move up in weight. I thought those fights were good a couple years ago, even then though, I thought Canelo would win.
No he’s not in tired of these idiots saying “he ain’t more accomplished but he better fighter” wtf hahahha
Whens the last time you see Canelo get wobbled and dropped by bums? When’s the last times Canelo showed issues in fighting? When’s the last time Canelo was getting whooped by a b level part time fighter? Crawford’s defense sucks that’s why he’s always getting his head snapped back and hurt he pulls straight back. Canelo is level above Crawford skill wise too.
My opinion doesn't change based on how you feel about it, Crawford is the best fighter in the world for me. Anybody can do the same thing you did.
When is the last time Crawford had a draw? When is the last time Crawford lost? When was the last time Crawford got a controversial win? Some of your questions are subjective, you are using your opinion to frame a question which would require me to agree before I can answer.
If Spence decides to unify v Ugas 1st so that Bud v Spence is for Undisputed instead of Ugas v Spence being for undisputed ,that would be a perfectly reasonable/smart way to go.
But I can already see it now that even if Bud v Porter ends up being like ggg v Jacobs,the judges might rob Porter to not derail the Spence v Bud fight. As I don't think for 1 minute that Porter will get kod/schooled.
Lets not forget Crawford thinks he deserves a 60/40 split
But I can see it now that most will say Spence aged Bud
If Spence decides not to fight Crawford next I don't see it as a duck, but Ugas is in a WBA tournament and his next 2 fights can't be Spence (with the belt that is, he could lose first round and be available next fight). How would you view him going after Ugas 1st if he couldn't get Ugas until 2023?
I still think Porter's dad had the same bet I did!
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Haha probably. I think Bomac had the same bet, he told Crawford to box until 9th came around and he said turn up the pressure. One thing I loved about the fight was when the dude told Crawford that the fight was close after the 9th and he went into kill mode.
Hahaha his ass ain’t no #1 ****t even Bud said himself that Canelo is #1 now you gotta learn to live with that or you can bounce.
P4P is opinion and I think Crawford is the best fighter in the world. I can easily see why Canelo would be #1 though.
I don't think he is a bum, but I think he is done mentally after this loss. I watched a few highlight videos of Kambosos when I saw this fight announced, I thought he had no chance. He looked damn good in there and it seemed like he had a really good game plan.
US fans need to get behind DAZN. DAZN might be unsustainable but at least they're providing boxing content at a reasonable price. What does it tell you about the state of PBC when Thurman v Barrios and Ortiz v Martin are PPV. DAZN are putting on Chocolatito v Estrada III and Smith v Vargas in January on subscription. Y'all need to back the side making watching any boxing worth a fūck afforable
I have DAZN, but nobody else I know has even heard of it. Same with espn+, nobody I know has it. I don't think it is DAZN that is overlooked, it is sports apps in general.
Some Americans seem to be under the impression that DAZN is some sort of foreign invasion and by not having it and constantly complaining about it or generally crapping on it they are doing their front line defensive duties for the nation.
Also we got these PBC fangimp morons who see DAZN and Eddie Hearn as the white devil sent to destroy Al Haymon and his black business for black Boxers. They are fkking stupid but most of these are not actual Boxing fans they are all about using the sport for their racial narratives.
But either way, if they are happy to spend thousands on weak PPV's with pathetic undercards while crying about the price of an App and the Boxing it provides then that is up to them. As long as they have an idea of how fkking salty they sound when they trying to play it down.
I don't think anybody that is not on this site or watching certain LDBC channels care about what country an app is from. I have DAZN, but I am cancelling until they have another fight I want. I've had it for months because I forgot about it, then every time I was about to cancel there was a fight I didn't mind watching. None of my favorite boxers fight on DAZN. You talk about people being happy to spend thousands, but it's not that simple. The choice isn't pay for an app or PPV, we pay to watch who we want. Nobody would complain if all the fights we wanted were on DAZN. The choice for me is pay every now and then for the fights I want or pay DAZN for fighters I'm not a fan of.
Chris just said it was a razor close fight. Everytime lopez landed 2-3 shots only the whole rd they gave it to him. This was lopez winning 4 rds max. It was a beatdown.
I think the unofficial scorecard was a bit off and they were extra careful not to be too honest on who they think won in case of robbery (though they said Kambosos edged it). Other than that the commentating was very much so in favor of Kambosos and it was warranted.
Edit: I also had Teo winning 4 rounds.