I've been thinking about this last weekends fight, and I've been listening to and talking with some guys in the business of boxing. Unfortunately, it appears that I don't appreciate the "sweet science" of the sport. Only purest found the fight entertaining, and if you didn't find the fight entertaining, then you're really a causal fan and not a connoisseur of boxing.
In fact, half of the people I've spoken to (not on this forum) believe Haney didn't clinch too much or, at least, not enough to be committing a foul. It was Kambosos' fault for being completely inept and not dealing with the clinch.
Now I agree with Kambosos being inept with the clinch. But I'm not so sure I agree with the claim that you're not a boxing purest if you don't like how Haney fought this last weekend.
Do you think this true? Am I not giving Haney his flowers for putting on a master class? Or am I justified in thinking the fight was boring as hell? How much blame to we give to Kambosos for making it a snooze fest?
I'm willing to revise my opinion of Haney but I do think he barely used anything other than a jab, and for me, if that's what I want to see, I'll go watch an amateur tournament, AIBA or something like that.
That’s not how judges score fights though. Fans put more emphasis on jabs than judges do. This is why every other fight is called a robbery. Many fans are looking for something in a round, that the judges don’t really care about.
Judges aren’t looking for jabs. They are looking for meaningful blows to the head and body. Easy-to-score punches. Head snapping punches. Punches that make the crowd react. Judges look for power punches. “Who landed more? Oh, Fighter A? Okay. Fighter A gets the round then.”
This is what I kept trying to explain to everyone that claimed GGG was robbed vs Canelo. Yes GGG outjabbed Canelo, and landed a bunch of jabs for punches. But Canelo outlanded GGG in 6 of 12 rounds in power punches, so the fight was scored a draw. In the rematch, Canelo outlanded GGG in pwr punches in 9 rounds out of 12, Canelo was given the nod. But it was a robbery.
Some fans are just too stubborn though. They really take the saying “the jab is the most important punch in boxing” to heart. It’s the most important punch due to various reasons, none of those reasons being that solely landing a jab gives you all the rounds.
when one fighter is landing a jab all night and the other fighter isn't landing anything. That means the jab is the most meaningful punch.
simple mathematics
Painfully boring. Not a casual. Been watching since the 80’s. Haney is never exciting to watch but it was a great gameplan even if he stunk the place out.
Yes. It was a great gamelan, considering. I wonder how much Lee Wylie was behind all of this.
Painfully boring. Not a casual. Been watching since the 80’s. Haney is never exciting to watch but it was a great gameplan even if he stunk the place out.
That fight was boring AF... GK didn't know how to make any adjustments and Haney never took even one chance despite being in control the whole way. Both to blame but Haney did what he had to do to win easily. There just wasn't a second of excitement the whole 12 rounds
The good ole’ “You don’t know ish about boxing, you casual” got to be the dumbest comment in any sport. Nobody knows the sport of Boxing, if you knew so much you would be in a penthouse casino in Vegas off your boxing predictions.
Your up there with those fantasy sports snobs who rant about a players ranking or those old heads that still bring a baseball scoring pad and tell other fans to be quiet while they pencil in the play. GO AWAY!! Haha
:lol1::lol1::lol1::lol1: That made me laugh man. Thanks.
That’s nonsense, we can appreciate the skills it took to neutralize a top opponent but also acknowledge it was a boring as hell fight. Jabfest while clinching on the inside is smart but not aesthetically pleasing by any means nor will you win over any fans. I’ve seen Wlad, Lara, Ward and a few others stink out the joint in a similar fashion while winning easily but getting drowned in boos.
Not all technical clinics are boring though. A few that come to mind are Mayweather-Canelo, Hopkins-Trinidad, and Rigo-Donaire. Those fights have great rewatch ability because the master boxers showed many dimensions in offense and defense to shut out top opponents. I’m hoping Haney just wanted to secure the belts in foreign soil and will put on more entertaining fights moving forward.
Kambosos's boxing IQ is not there. Devin was out jabbing him and controlling the whole fight on top of that. It was a clear cut loss where you can't give more than 2 rounds to kambosos. Haney outclassed him in every way. Kambosos is just not good enough to deal with a skilled boxer like haney and that style. I don't see the rematch being any different. Kambosos's best work was against a reckless teofimo who was head hunting and threw away all of the good work he did with loma.
It's funny how all of the excuses start to appear on haney "cheating" , "hugging" and being "boring". This is nothing but silly fanboy talk when your fave guy falls short on figuring out the complex puzzle, and couldn't brawl, counter punch or do anything of note against a boxer. Kambosos got completely schooled. He has no answers. If haney looked bad by your logic, what does that say about kambosos?
For the record, Haney landed more power shots and jabs than Kambosos. He also threw more power and jabs than Kambosos. Jabs snap the head also and Kambosos head was popping all night.
Yeah, 69 power shots to 68 power shots.
That’s not much.
Although Haney landed more in more rounds. Which is what matters.
Jabs aren’t meaningful shots. They are very important to setup meaningful shots. If you’re just landing jabs, but following them up with a clinch, that’s not what judges want to see. Jabs are meant to setup, to find range, to create space and to disrupt. Power shots should follow jabs. For Haney, unfortunately for viewers, hugs and clinches follow his jabs. Very good jab, but nothing of substance follows.
The good ole’ “You don’t know ish about boxing, you casual” got to be the dumbest comment in any sport. Nobody knows the sport of Boxing, if you knew so much you would be in a penthouse casino in Vegas off your boxing predictions.
Your up there with those fantasy sports snobs who rant about a players ranking or those old heads that still bring a baseball scoring pad and tell other fans to be quiet while they pencil in the play. GO AWAY!! Haha
That’s not how judges score fights though. Fans put more emphasis on jabs than judges do. This is why every other fight is called a robbery. Many fans are looking for something in a round, that the judges don’t really care about.
Judges aren’t looking for jabs. They are looking for meaningful blows to the head and body. Easy-to-score punches. Head snapping punches. Punches that make the crowd react. Judges look for power punches. “Who landed more? Oh, Fighter A? Okay. Fighter A gets the round then.”
This is what I kept trying to explain to everyone that claimed GGG was robbed vs Canelo. Yes GGG outjabbed Canelo, and landed a bunch of jabs for punches. But Canelo outlanded GGG in 6 of 12 rounds in power punches, so the fight was scored a draw. In the rematch, Canelo outlanded GGG in pwr punches in 9 rounds out of 12, Canelo was given the nod. But it was a robbery.
Some fans are just too stubborn though. They really take the saying “the jab is the most important punch in boxing” to heart. It’s the most important punch due to various reasons, none of those reasons being that solely landing a jab gives you all the rounds.
For the record, Haney landed more power shots and jabs than Kambosos. He also threw more power and jabs than Kambosos. Jabs snap the head also and Kambosos head was popping all night.
PBF would've destroyed Kambosos you dumb casuals, just like how he smashed Arturo Gatti.
Haney is a boring fighter yes - to those who don't appreciate the sweet science / art of boxing. Many want to see KO artists like, Tank Davis or some ****.
But if you appreciate the technical side of Boxing, then Haney is your go to guy.
I do appreciate Haney, but what bothered me was the lack of nuance. Sure he changed up his jab, but the ducking below the belt and using that as a way of closing the gap so he could clinch George was highly illegal in my eyes. The reason why is when he ducks down like that, it has the same effect as if he were to turn his back on George. George can't hit him on any legal scoring areas. He would then shoulder charge down low and grab.
It's as if he had a cheat code in a video game, leaving the other guy no opportunity but to break the rules himself. George either would have to punch Haney in the back or back of the head. Plus, the referee was on them as soon as Haney got his arms around George. It gave George little chance to do anything because the ref would separate them and put George back on the outside where he'd have to work his way into the pocket again. To me it seemed like some terrible feedback loop that you can't escape from.
On the other side of the coin, I can see that George was extremely limited, and he should have really pressed Haney. He had no jab and no inside game, so clearly a lot of blame goes to George. Nevertheless, those tactics by Haney just seemed like an abuse of the system that favored the guy with the reach and size advantage.
What do you think?
You telling me if Mayweather was 25. He would of not KO’d or really mess up an opponent like Kam??
I would bet my house Pretty Boy Floyd at 135 would have blown Kambosis out of there before 7 rounds.
People who say Haney is Floyd only see a similar style, Floyd was a bad dude as a LW.
PBF would've destroyed Kambosos you dumb casuals, just like how he smashed Arturo Gatti.
Haney is a boring fighter yes - to those who don't appreciate the sweet science / art of boxing. Many want to see KO artists like, Tank Davis or some shit.
But if you appreciate the technical side of Boxing, then Haney is your go to guy.
I appreciate even Rigondeauxs most safety first performance. But that was to much for even me.
LOL! :lol1::lol1: It's true! I love Rigondeaux, never get tired of seeing him fight, but man, seeing Haney fight that night was so rough! Kid should only have A.M. fights from here on out.
I gave Kambosos 1 round definitively (round 2) and I scored a second round for him where it kind of close, but he landed a few good punches. I felt like I was trying to find a reason to give him a round to make the fight better, but 118-110 was pretty damn accurate IMO.
That’s not how judges score fights though. Fans put more emphasis on jabs than judges do. This is why every other fight is called a robbery. Many fans are looking for something in a round, that the judges don’t really care about.
Judges aren’t looking for jabs. They are looking for meaningful blows to the head and body. Easy-to-score punches. Head snapping punches. Punches that make the crowd react. Judges look for power punches. “Who landed more? Oh, Fighter A? Okay. Fighter A gets the round then.”
This is what I kept trying to explain to everyone that claimed GGG was robbed vs Canelo. Yes GGG outjabbed Canelo, and landed a bunch of jabs for punches. But Canelo outlanded GGG in 6 of 12 rounds in power punches, so the fight was scored a draw. In the rematch, Canelo outlanded GGG in pwr punches in 9 rounds out of 12, Canelo was given the nod. But it was a robbery.
Some fans are just too stubborn though. They really take the saying “the jab is the most important punch in boxing” to heart. It’s the most important punch due to various reasons, none of those reasons being that solely landing a jab gives you all the rounds.
look at the refs face he looks like he wanted to suck off haney right there, got damn that is beyond biased {"data-align":"none","data-size":"full","data-attachmentid":31450574}
:lol1::lol1::lol1: It does look suspect.
Kambosos couldn’t really get off because Haney kept clinching and holding on until the ref broke it up.
The issue wasn’t that Kambosos should have done more. The issue was that he couldn’t do more because he was being clinched. Kambosos is not a wrestler or MMA fighter and the onus doesn’t fall on him to be able to wrestle out of Haney’s holds on him. The onus falls on the ref to warn Haney about that illegal tactic and deduct points if he keeps doing it. Instead, all I saw was the stupid ref getting on Kambosos, for idk what.
If anything goes, and boxer’s just need to learn how to maneuver out of illegal moves or prevent themselves from getting fouled all on their own, then Kambosos gameplan should consist of rabbit punches, lowblows, headlocks, elbows, suplexes, dropkicks and maybe add the sweet chin music in there right in the beginning of a round for the KO.
I mean in that case, it would be on Haney to prevent all that, right? Fouls and illegal moves are part of the game. The ref is there to just there as a fan who purchased the best seat in the house.
I am a huge fan of boxing. I’ve gone at it against fans who called Mayweather, Ward, Hopkins boring clinchers. All 3 of those fighters outland their opponents in everything, jabs, hooks, right hands, everything. Usually by a pretty comfortable margin.
Haney outlanded Kambosos in power punches 69 to 68. That’s not at all dominant. The guy jabbed and clinched his way to victory.
It's true man. Those tactics put Kambosos in a situation where he runs the risk of committing a foul and possibly getting a point taken away. When Haney is ducking his head between his legs, where he hell is a guy suppose to punch? And when you lunges in from such a crouched position, you can't do anything other than get him in a headlock.
Incidentally, I know exactly how Loma would deal with that BS because Rigo tried to do something similar to him, and Loma clowned him each time.
another thing is why do boxing fas have to compare floyd mayweather in so many threads? this is beyond annoying and a sick obsession. mayweather was not the gold standard of boxing so just stop it already
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