They were both pretty evenly matched, people expected a beating?
Canelo won pretty soundly and he was better on the championship rounds. No way Cotto won more than 5 rounds and I'm being generous with 5.
I had that shit 8-4 Canelo. Also Cotto is a piss poor loser man, that's really distasteful.
Clubber Lang fought Rowdy Roddy Piper. What's Floyd's excuse?
Ali fought Antonio Inoki, the best always fight the best.
To think he has the audacity to call himself TBE...
He beat fukin kelly pavlik!! So pacquaio is too small to fight sergio martinez but floyd aint to small to fight GGG???? Damn you floyd haters are something else
Duh you don't understand... Pacquiao won the belt 154lb but he said it was too much for him and he dropped it. Why couldn't Martinez fight Pacquiao at 147? He fought Margarito at 147 didn't he? Coincidence????
Yeah because every fighter waits to see how his opponent looks at the post fight workout to determine that they got the fight in the bag.
Canelo and his team are pretty dumb so you know after they saw the workout the said "lawl Khan is so slooooow men, omg we gon win fo' sho' lmao. Ya ganamos ajua!!"
Virgil is so clever trying to fool team Canelo but nothing escapes from these master minds in a boxing forum...
lmao
Canelo won the fight. Lara was the challenger and he didn't look like it at all he didn't look like he was willing to go the extra mile to become champion. Sure Lara made Canelo miss a lot but much of the fight was dull because of Lara. I like elusive styles but Lara wasn't slick, he pretty much ran against Canelo, I'm not gonna lie.
Didn't like the fight it sucked let's all move on. Canelo was the better man that night.
Floyd keeps winning even when he's not fighting.
People need to respect and appreciate his method and craft. The sooner they realize this, the faster they'll stop taking them Ls.
You failed to read you dumb ass. I never said anything about Hernandez resume. Look at Floyd's resume before that fight. All bums. Yet he got the chance to fight Hernandez for the lineal title. NOTHING AGAINST THAT. But if that happened to GGG in the same way he would be the lineal champ 5 years ago.
Ok you're right lol.
Anyway, why are you trying to downgrade another fighter's resume to make up for GGG lack of better opposition? Look GGG is good enough to beat everyone at 160 if he doesn't get the fights he deserves, you're not going to find who to blame looking at boxrec and focusing on the past.
Floyd wasn't the first and will not be the only fighter to be given a title fight with a resume filled with C level opposition. It's what happens when you become champion that matters.
Who cares if GG isn't the lineal champion, it's pretty obvious to everyone in the world who the best MW champion is. Give it a rest, GG will one day move up and become champion at 168 too I think. His success story will not have an effect because floyd was "gifted" a title fight back in the late 90s lol.
No one has bragged about this win in years. Let me tell you guys the moments prior to the birth of this thread.
Maxi was looking through boxrec he saw that SD on Floyd's resume. He then clicked on ODLH's link and looked through the dates. then he determined how Floyd's win over ODLH wasn't great. Ok fair enough.
Then he went back to check on Floyd's first title fight and clicked on Hernandez to get acquainted with him because let's be honest he never saw him fight. Anyway he looked through his resume and through his superior boxrec warrior mentality he determined Hernandez was a a gifted title.
Maxi, give it a rest. GGG is good enough to make his own success story you don't need to downgrade any ATG's resume to defend him. I'm pretty sure he will eventually move up and fight better opposition.
Damn you broke him down to an atom.....yikes
You know what's funnier? He goes way back to the late 90s to criticize Floyd's title shot against Hernandez then we fast forward to april 23th 2016 and dominic wade getting a title shot lmao. How is he not applying the same criticism there?
Rigo is right where he needs to be. Only retards think he beats anyone at 130 0r 126 though.
He's a small man, he's literally the same size as Gallo Estrada. Being able to move up in weight shouldn't be a determining factor to be considered at the top of the p4p list.
No fighter at 122 or 118(a weight he can still make) have a chance against him. The only threats for Rigoneadux are bigger men at 126.
you know you're an assh0le when you refer to yourself in the 3rd person
Hey don't talk sh*t about Miguel Cotto, he's twice the man you are and his sack is twice bigger than yours! :lol1:
I was a big Valero fan I thought he was on his path to greatness. It's no coincidence that every trainer he worked with praised him as one of the hardest workers, heaviest handed and just overall being a beast. Every sparring partner still praises him as being deceitfully good and for being the hardest hitter they've ever faced. I think those people know a lot more than the average joe watching his fights. Supposedly the reason he was a sloppy brawler was because he would get a bonus for a 1st rd KO in Japan.
Also, I agree with you guys about Leo being less popular. But even on the Forums where people sh*t on every single thing, I've yet to see only a few posts about this garbage fight.
Choose your answer...
A) It's Haymons' fault
B) He's a warrior doe
C) First cherry picking offense
D) He's stepping up his next fight
E) He young doe
It's a multiple choice answer BTW.
Man you know, I'm not really too keen on criticizing boxers but this fight is on an important ppv event and for a title no less.
I've seen all of those excuses and many are by the same mexican people (my people) who sh*t on Garcia when he fought salsa...
I didnt say that because I'm an ADMIN... I said that because you didn't BOLD my post, you bolded someone else's.
Nice try, though.
So you clearly didn't know who you were talking to.
You didn't... not the first time you thought wrong.. I'm sure.
It's a mistake I accepted, I thought I bolded your opinion that the were beating the **** out of each other. You've also made mistakes... I'm sure. What a ridiculous thing to say or to try to make fun of.
Now on to the real argument:
My assumption was based on factual statements from Floyds mouth about 30 minute sparring sessions... and no breaks during the doghouse fights... loser has to quit in front of everyone.
It's a pretty safe assumption these fights go on 15 minutes - 20, 30+
You on the other hand, are now back peddling.
As if the fight only lasted 19 minutes instead of 30, it's not as bad.
But, it is... there is no one there to protect them from themselves, like there is in other gyms where coaches will stop sparring, and refs stop fights.
Now you are assuming when you replied a simple "lol" when I asked you to talk facts? You are exaggerating to prove your point when you claim they beat the **** out of each other because there's still no factual evidence to prove it. Sure it's a health risk but this risk is always there in boxing.
Again, they were conditioned to spar for 30 minutes straight because otherwise they wouldn't have done it, like I said they can't accomplish impossible things even on an adrenaline rush and/or peer pressure.
There was no ref with the younger Rahman but he sure knew when to quit. You seem to think that with no ref they'll fight till they die or something. Even if you don't think so, there's still etiquette in most gym wars.
There's an opinion. You don't know shit if they were concussed or not... how would you? To put it in your words, they only showed snippets.
NFL players walk off the field just fine, looks fine.. only to find out an hour later that have a concussion... I doubt your MD degree whilst watching the tv allows you to be so perceptive of their actual internal damage.
Even then, I didnt say they had concussions... I said its brain damage waiting to happen.
You're able to make assumptions based on factual snips of evidence and when I do, I don't know sh*t. Look, you're taking everything to the extreme practicing boxing is a brain damage waiting to happen, it doesnt mean it's going to happen.
Now YOUR MD degree whilst watching the TV allows you to be perspective of their internal damage? You try to make fun of me when you're doing the exact same thing. They were fine, I can assure you they're fine. I'm sure New England can get you their contact info with his media credentials.
It's not the point.
Whether they're 'conditioned' or not.
NFL players are conditioned to take big hits... but if one gets hurt, they stop, they look at them... and if necessary take them out of the game to save them from risking further long term permanent damage.
A lot of those players would CHOOSE to keep playing if it was up to them... but it's not, and for good reason... many players are saved long term damage by getting pulled from the game because a DR is there to look at them.
NONE of that is the case here.
Again you're taking everything to the extreme. Freak accidents happen all the time, sure. Like I said they are doing risky sh*t but the reason they were able to spar for 30 minutes was because of their condition. You don't know how much punishment they actually took but you seem to think they were involved in a massacre which in the end of the segment we see that both look like any other boxer who has just sparred. They're fine, they aren't new to getting hit.
I'm a fan of a sport that has rules, 3 minute rounds, 1 minute rest, payment to participate, and most importantly a referee - who can pause someone from taking too much punishment even against their own will, give a standing 8 count, or stop the fight altogether.
None of that, is what that is.
I'm well aware of the health risk in the sport of boxing... the health risk here is astronomically higher here.... beating the living **** out of each other and cheered and pressured to do so, for 30 minutes straight without stopping and the only way the fight gets stopped is if one of the fighters quit on his own.
The only ref in the ring here, wasn't looking out for health or safety but to cheer on the beating, and then mock the loser in front of everyone.
What do you base this on? Your opinion? State facts man.
These two are athletes, they were conditioned to go to such extremes. Try going 2 rounds see if you can do much more even if you're pressured to do it.
These guys stopped at their limit, there are days on some pro's career where they will do 15 round sessions. You have no clue how this 30 min sparring went. You can only speculate that they "beat the living sh*t out of each other" for the entirety of the session.
You didn't bold shit of my post.
Keep your replies straight and know who you're talking to before trying to be a smart ass.
"work" for 30 minutes? Sure.... That wasn't "work", so your question doesn't matter.
I wasn't there, and neither were you... Can I prove it? No more than you can disprove it... but Floyd sure as hell was talking about 30 minute sessions with no breaks that regularly happen amongst them.
Because I don't agree with a mod I'm a smartass? Easy with your superiority complex.
I though I bolded your ridiculous statement that they "beat the living **** out of each other."
I can't disprove it but I'm not claiming to know that they indeed beat the livng **** out each other like you keep on doing, which is your only argument. It's an opinion not a fact. What we saw were short segments and in the end the Brit's hand was hurt like we can hurt ourselves doing regular sparring. They weren't concussed and they hand no markings on their face.
Gym wars happen when people choose to participate in them. They were working, they sparred for 30 minutes until they had enough, do you think you run on mere adrenaline for so long? They had the condition to do what they did. you can't do the impossible even if you're under peer pressure.
if you're an actual adult, you see an 18 year old as a kid. unless you're immature.
very few 18 year old males are fully developed physically. none of them are fully developed mentally.
rahman's freaking mother was there. he probably lives with her. he's a kid.
and yes, there were a few pros at my gym. there were even more pros at the mma gym i used in college.
i also had media credentials for several years, and have been invited to plenty of gyms and media workouts to watch pros train or spar. some good ones, too. you've seen these guys on HBO, showtime, and ESPN.
the "sparring" you saw in the showtime special is not boxing. that's not how people train. if you're at a gym, and the coaches are sending you out to spar like that, you need to find another gym.
You should've used your "credentials" to witness the whole session before you begin to state such things as the bolded parts. How long was the younger Rahmna's segment? A minute long at most? Give me a break.
Go to any real gym with your credentials and see what happens when a dude spars a guy who's at a different level. It happens a lot, that's how you learn you're not there yet. It's happened to everyone.
This isn't new and if you have really had media credentials for "several years" you'd know this isn't new to boxing.
this wasn't professional prizefighting. i don't know why people keep coming up with posts like yours and acting like it is a sound argument.
rahman's son was an 18 year old kid, and an amateur.
You mean an 18 year old adult? This was on the US right? Have you ever been on a boxing gym that has any pros?
I've gone a few times to Julian Magadaleno gym in guadalajara mexico to get some sparring with dudes from there and if one of us amateurs began to act tough towards a pro the same thing would happen. People have to know their place on the real world.