Boxingwizard

Why is ward rated so highly? He's a really good (and dirty) fighter but not some unbeatable atg True, but you also have to take into consideration that Ward was rusty as hell when he first fought Kovalev. The lawsuit against Goosen really hurt him, I bet he regrets doing that. He looked like complete sh!* against Barrerra, he barley won that fight. By the second fight against Kovalev he was really hurting Kovalev, he fought a lot better compared to the first fight. I think he beats both Beterbiev and Gvozdyk, had Ward stayed active and was able to shake the ring rust off. He should have fought Stevenson when he had the opportunity given what Gvozdyk did to him. Ward is definitely a better boxer than Gvozdyk.

I got nothing against Ward , I think he’s a great boxer maybe fughin dirty but tend to the idea that his opponent must react dirty and that’ll stop it Sorry getting off topic But Ward decided to retire when Beterbiev was his mando I heard HBO was trying to make him fight Stevenson, but Ward wanted to fight a much weaker opponent, and instead of fighting Stevenson Ward retired.

Nope , it was the Chechen Wolf Ward would of taken the fight with Stevenson I think Ward would have beaten Beterbiev once he fully shaken the ring rust off. You have to remember his inactivity because of his lawsuit against his promoter (Dan Goosen) hurt him a lot. Not only was he inactive but he was not improving as a boxer. When he beat Chad Dawson there was still holes in his game that he needed to fix. Ward would have beaten Kovalev much more convincingly in the first fight had he stayed active as a boxer. But because Ward was inactive for so long, there was a lot of ring rust. You can tell he shaken a lot of the ring rust off during the 2nd fight with Kovalev, but he still needed to adjust to the LHW division, there were things that he could still improve on too. I think during his current state after the 2nd Kovalev fight, he felt like it was bit too much dealing with heavy punchers like Stevenson and Beterbiev. But I think Ward was more afraid Stevenson than Beterbiev. Beterbiev is someone Ward would be more motivated to fight.

He didn’t fight him but he literally retired him When he was Ward’s mando , SOG decided it was better to retire His promoter and HBO wanted him to fight Stevenson. But Ward wanted to fight a lesser opponent. I think Stevenson would have given Ward a lot of trouble, I think that's what pushed him to retirement. Also there was demand for a 3rd fight with Kovalev given how the 2nd fight ended, and I don't know if Ward wanted to take another 12 rounds of getting punched by Kovalev. I think Ward realized there was too many heavy hitters in the LHW divsion, I think he was worried about his health.

Well , as I remember correctly he was afraid of Beterbiev That’s when he decided to call it a day Mind you , att that point he should of been much more afraid of Stevenson cause Beterbiev was still green in the pros so to say Also his two fights with Kovaelv fights were controversial and that had to wear him out not just physically but mentally too, and then he had to deal with other punchers like Stevenson, Beterbiev, Gvozdyk, etc. I think Ward felt like that was too much for him. Ward obviously is a more talented and better boxer than Gvozdyk. The lawsuit against Goosen really hurt his career. He shouldn't have done that, reading about the lawsuit, he was not going to win that lawsuit. He signed a contract with Goosen for a number of years and fights, but he wanted out of the contract because one of his co-promoters wasn't getting paid (who was a good friend of his). Ward should have made his friend sue Goosen, not him.

Wasn’t GGG more like Wlad and Vitali when he first started? And it was Sanchez who made him become more offensive and more exciting to watch? And GGG fans swore that he was a defensive genius, bringing up compubox numbers of how little GGG got hit. I’ll tell you what actually happened. The truth is that everyone before Jacobs and Canelo were lower leveled fighters, and that’s what GGG got used to. So when he fought Jacobs and Canelo and could not KO them, it was a shock to his ego that he actually had to use his boxing skills to win. He did alright imo, neither Canelo or Jacobs dominated him. They had great success against him, especially Canelo. But no fighter dominated in those fights (GGG didn’t either). Truth is at the top level you’re going to get hit, you’re to have draws and close fights and you will not dominate every top fighter at that level. Like since the beginning of time. No trainer in the world can help GGG at this point at the elite level. Anyone saying otherwise is only fooling themselves. Have any top trainer train GGG for a third Canelo fight, GGG may still lose. I never said GGG was a defensive genius, but he is a highly skilled boxer. Sanchez never taught GGG defense, no head movement, how to block or slip punches. Sanchez never taught GGG on how to utilize his boxing skills during those 9 years. Yeah Jacobs is a step up from most of Golovkin's opponents, but he looked terrible against Jacobs. He's getting hit too much, that blame should be on Sanchez because whatever gameplan he had for Jacobs and Canelo it wasn't effective enough, and it's pretty obvious. When a fighter loses or isn't performing well, sometimes the trainer deserves blame, sometimes the fighter, in this case it's definitely the trainer. Given the way he fights, Golovkin should have hired Kevin Rooney 9 years ago. That's why I say Teddy Atlas would be a great trainer for Golovokin.

Changing trainers is always done by fighters on the decline. In this case, no. It's not just the Canelo fight, but the Jacobs fight, I noticed that's where the tension started between Sanchez and GGG. Deep down GGG was disappointed in his performance against Jacobs, and he was disappointed in Sanchez as well as he should be. Sanchez I just think was never the right trainer for him despite being with him for like 9 years. Sanchez never taught GGG any defense. GGG obviously needs a trainer that can teach him defense someone like Teddy Atlas or John David Jackson.

Rooney?? :lol1: :lol1: Ydsab It's a what if of course. If Rooney was Golovkin's trainer it would have helped Rooney's career along with Golovkin's. It's too late for that he's stuck with Sanchez. And what does Ydsab mean?

Rooney?? :lol1: :lol1: Ydsab I don't know **** abut boxing? Ydsab if you think Sanchez has made progress with Golovkin. It's true that Rooney didn't have much success with other fighters besides Tyson, but Rooney would have improved Golovkin for sure given Golovkin's talent level. Of course it's too late for Golovkin to switch trainers now. Golovkin's fight against Danny Jacobs was all the evidence I need to know that Sanchez isn't the right trainer for Triple G. And I was rooting for Golovkin too.

To me it sounds like you’re overweight no way I can take your kiddie opinion serious or anyone really knowing thangs at that would say likewise. I'm overweight? What the **** are you talking about clown? The only one with a kiddie opinion is you when you say BS like this. No he’s much better than canelos unknown meat factory trainers Canelo's "meat factory" trainers have made Canelo a better boxer than Golovkin. As someone pointed out earlier Sanchez hasn't taught Golovkin the sweet science, improving defense, drilling in head movement, improving his right hand, etc. That should have been evident in the Jacobs fight. If Sanchez was a good trainer the first fight against Canelo wouldn't have been a draw. He's getting hit too much; no head movement, a predictable offense (double-jab right hand) and a lot of that blame goes on the trainer, but you don't see that because you are a clown. And the thing is he's been working with Golovkin for eight years, and I say this as a Golovkin fan.

Rooney?? :lol1: :lol1: Ydsab I don't know **** abut boxing? Ydsab if you think Sanchez has made progress with Golovkin. It's true that Rooney didn't have much success with other fighters besides Tyson, but Rooney would have improved Golovkin for sure given Golovkin's talent level. Of course it's too late for Golovkin to switch trainers now. Golovkin's fight against Danny Jacobs was all the evidence I need to know that Sanchez isn't the right trainer for Triple G. And I was rooting for Golovkin too.

Triple G was already a seasoned veteran when he hired Sanchez, and I think Sanchez never really knew how to train him even after eight years. Golovkin should have hired Kevin Rooney instead.

Rooney?? :lol1: :lol1: Ydsab Well Rooney has experience with power punchers like Tyson and Golovkin is a good puncher as well. Rooney understands the sweet science better than Sanchez and the peek-a-boo style/bobbing and weaving would have worked with Golovkin. I've noticed with Golovkin his defense is not as good as it used to be, he's getting hit in the face too many times, his offense is not sharp either. The trainer deserves some blame for that. Watch Golovkin before he signed up with Sanchez he was a much better boxer.

Rooney hahahahaha Rooney is a bum trainer compared to Sanchez Rooney is just not active, he would have been a better trainer for Golovkin instead of Sanchez for sure. Rooney would have improved Golovkin's defense, he would have made Golovkin more sharper, and make him use his jab more, because Golovkin fights somewhat similar to Tyson. The peek-a-boo style would have worked wonders for Golovkin. But oh well, it's a what if.

exavtly and we all saw what johnson did to dawson with right hands. if chad thought that johnson counter in round 3 was bad, wait til he gets it from BHop, especially since hopkins is now seeking to be a "razzle dazzle guy, ad thrilla and a shocka" (as roy might have put it if he were talking about himself of course). Hopkins is a boxer/counter-puncher, he's not a sluggler like Johnson, not to mention he's turning 44. Dawson will take advantage of his age, that I am sure of. I'd rather see Dawson rematch Glen Johnson if he can't fight Calzaghe.

Don't get it twisted, I'm a huge Calzaghe critic, but even I know where to draw the line. And I draw the line at Chad Dawson, if Joe lost to this kid I'd cut off my own dick and eat it. That's how confident I am in the fact that Joe would win. Well get ready to do so, that's if the fight happens.

Zab Judah has a better chance of winning a title at 140 then Gamboa being up that high on the p4p list. Shit I might even say Linares too. Linares is great and all, but he's way to inactive and he seems to get injury hurt a lot. Oh and @slicksouthpaw, what do you mean Glen Johnson was a slickster or something? Johnson might have been better, but he was still very good at 32-0. Shit he might have just gone through a rough patch. Johnson has many problems with movers and combonations. It's just that Dawson lacks the grade a defensive to beat either Hopkins or Calzaghe. Say what you want about Roy being shot, but that's how Joe always fought pretty much. That more style of control, but flurries. He's a weird ass style, but it works. Not to mention that Joe is the best adapter in the game today to people's gameplan, he could adjust to Dawson's speed. And Dawson is nowhere near as good defensively as Prime Roy, to whoever compared him to that. Shit they don't even fight the same. Jones had a weird ass style. Dawson has a better chance of beating Nard, but even then that's unlikely. Roy was definitely shot, he no longer had the legs to move away from Calzaghe's punches and he doesn't have the workrate anymore to capatilze when Calzaghe is not on the defensive (and there were plenty of opportunities). A prime Roy would of beaten Calzaghe. As for Dawson's defense, Dawson has improved his D against Tarver. He'll beat Calzaghe or Hopkins. As for Calzahge's adaptability, it wouldn't matter how he adapts because he won't have any answer to Dawson's speed. Dawson can really set a fight to his pace with his jab, than overwhelms his opponents with a string of combination's. Dawson also counters very well. Calzaghe isn't a huge puncher so Dawson has nothing to fear and will most likely block a lot of Calzaghe's shots.

Maybe Hopkins but that's about it. Dawson narrowly beat Johnson, is he not going to give him a rematch? Whats the point of a rematch if Dawson can fight Joe Calzaghe next? Calzaghe is at the point where he's nearing retirement, Dawson should pursue this opportunity at all cost. And if he beats Calzaghe, than he should give Johnson a rematch.

I already saw this video in ESB.

How much money does dawson want. I'm sure Calzaghe doesn't come cheap, I doubt he'd put a huge risk like dawson for 50/50. It all depends on how much dawson wants Calzaghe, and how much money he wants. That is what it all comes down to. Most likely a 30/70 split and he's willing to fight in Wales, so that's going to help generate the money.

There is no money or a big public interest in that fight. The only reason Dawson is being brought up is because there is literally no one else for Calzaghe to fight. If Dawson struggled with Johnson, imagine what Joe will do to him. It'll be Calzaghe-Lacy all over again. Dawson isn't Lacy, Dawson is WAY more skilled than Lacy. There were many opportunities for Joe to beat Calzaghe, it's just he wasn't active enough because he's past his prime. If Calzaghe were to face Dawson, not only is he facing someone younger, but just as skilled, and just as active as Jones in his prime (okay he's not that good, but you get the idea). Lets not forget his handspeed is just as fast as Calzaghe's.

Shaun George is the better boxer but Tavoris Cloud hits harder, actually George hits pretty hard himself (don't be fooled by his KO's %). Cloud is a talented fighter no doubt, but he still needs experience. I say George wins right now, but overtime Cloud will be the better fighter. Not to undermine George, because he's a talented fighter too.

People don't know about Tavoris Cloud yet, but they soon will. He a powerful puncher with an exciting, aggressive style. He would KO George, and will knock out Chad Dawson if given the chance. Sadly, Chad will drop the IBF title to avoid Tavoris and look for another old man to fight. Cloud's team doesn't want Cloud fighting Dawson right now, it wouldn't be a good move anyway. He needs to fight someone like Chris Henry or Clinton Woods for more experience. Once Cloud gets more exposure he'll be ready for Dawson.

I think the reason he looked better against Tarver was because of the opponent he had in front of him more then anything else. But thats just me. Dawson got hit by Johnson's hardest shots and was never knocked down, Dawson would do better against Glen Johnson in a rematch,

This is great news, at least HBO can now provide the money Calzaghe wants without Gary Shaw being a cheap ass. Calzaghe probably wants at least $5 million dollars or more, and Dawson would probably get $1.5 million dollars (which would be his highest paycheck). HBO, Showtime and Gary Shaw should all chip in, but Calzaghe wants a break from boxing. If this fight does happen, it would probably be around September.

Hopkins is 43 years old, (turning 44 in January) he hasn't fought someone who would expose him yet. Hopkins in his prime (1995-2004) was a monster, his fights against Antwun Echols and Tito Trinidad proved that. But what people don't realize is that his "physical" skills have declined sharply since 2005. In 2005 he fought an ugly fight against Howard Eastman and later that year he would lose to Jermain Taylor twice. To say that Hopkins can beat any good young fighter is far-fetched. Pavlik has obvious weakness that was easily to exploit, I mean a 43 year old Hopkins is faster than Pavlik. I say he would lose to Kessler, Dawson, Lucian Bute, Glen Johnson, and even Arthur Abraham.

Glen Johnson is now available for Dawson since Diaconu postponed his fight with Silvio Branco (Diaconu and Johnson are suppose to fight in 2009). If Dawson can't get a fight with Calzaghe, the best opponents for Dawson are Glen Johnson and the IBF mandatory Tavoris Cloud. Now Tavoris Cloud he's probably the hardest hitter in the LHW division, has a good left jab and a dangerous right hand, Cloud isn't your typical mandatory. It would be best for Dawson to fight Johnson first.

There is no point of a rematch, its a waste of time. Tarver is done with boxing, but of course he'll probably want a rematch for the money... He looked like shit in his last fight, I'm sure its because Dawson is talented but I still see flaws in Dawsons game that Johnson exposed. The money isn't all that big, and Tarver KNOWS he will lose again, so what's the point? Oh and what weakness are you talking about? I thought Dawson corrected a lot of the mistakes that he made against Johnson.

Dawson ducked a rematch against Glenn Johnson, you bet your ass he will duck Hopkins. Hopkins should call Dawson out because I think Hopkins can beat him but of course it would be a tougher fight than Pavlik since Dawson is fast and a southpaw. But I don't think Dawson is as talented as Calzaghe in my opinion, I think Dawson is still a young fighter who hasn't hit his peak. I thought Dawson's fight against Johnson was just a bad day and didn't properly prepare, mainly because he had a switch of trainers. Now that Dawson is getting the hang of Eddie Mustafa's method they are clicking and corrected A LOT of the mistakes Dawson made against Johnson. Dawson WILL only beat him Johnson convincingly next time, if you honestly think Dawson isn't talented as Calzaghe, or Johnson will beat him again, then you don't know how good Dawson really is. Oh and Dawson WANTS TO FIGHT Hopkins. Dawson called out Hopkins/Pavlik and Calzaghe/Jones.

He has all the tools to be force in the very near future. He has only about 18 or so fights. I'd think that they would bring him along. You can't throw guys into the ring who are still up and coming. Look what happened to Vargas. He was never ready to fight Trinidad. And as a consequence was ruined from that fight. Yeah he only has 17 fights but it's not like he fought 17 bums. Dirrell's last three opponents were solid C level fighters. One more win against a solid opponent and he's ready for Inkin.