Finally getting around to watching this.
First off he mentions its unfortunate boxers get to a point where its "I" instead of "we". Sh^t man its ALWAYS "I". "I" gots to find mfers who see enough upside that they are willing to invest time & money in "I" or work with "I" when there isn't a lot of money. There becomes a "we" when an "I" finds a trainer or any other person on his team. But ultimately the final decision making is "I" on how long we remain a "we" just like its the trainer or any other persons own "I" decision to decide on staying or not staying a "we".
Also I find it interesting Abel didn't wanna go into money specifics. That makes me feel like maybe GGG had been overpaying Abel perhaps. But I'd really like to know more about the specifics. Was GGG giving Abel a % of these multimillion dollar purses when the standard is more fee oriented when the numbers start getting that big? So Abel getting 10% of $10M ($1M) & now getting offered a $200k flat fee per fight probably does seem f#cked up for Abel, but the thing is Abel had been making out like a bandit previous to that point? Idk just speculating obviously, but curious what the numbers look like.
And its cool to hear that GGG went up to Big Bear & said his goodbye to Abel & thanked him. Business is business. Sometimes sh^t works out great. Sometimes sh^t works out bad. Sometimes sh^t works out great for awhile & just ends. But the relationship should be valued for what it was when you've been together for 9 years like these two have been even if parting ways happens. Respect to GGG for that even if the money situation was sketchy on his end (although I'm more leaning GGG's way on the fact Abel didn't wanna speak on particulars & we only are going off his hints at what could be up & I suspect its possible GGG was overpaying Abel for years).
And respect to Abel on saying this was a business decision on both parts in this interview which wasn't the gist of the situation in other articles. Most of the articles seemed to lean towards Abel suggesting GGG was lowballing Abel which was trying to make Abel the victim & GGG the bad guy.
And finally wtf is Abel even talking about with Gassiev being damn near handicapped for 3 fights previous to Usyk & thats why he lost?!?!?!??????!!!!!!??!???! Shattered hand. F#cked up nose so bad he couldn't breath. Destroyed shoulder. How was this mfer not making his ring walk on one of those lil scooters? Sounds like Gassiev was doing PRP therapy to maybe from the talk of going to Germany. I know thats real popular there. This mfer might come back like superman.
Trainers are paid from 10% to 15%. If it's 15 that is way too much. The trainer is an employee of the fighter not the other way around.
10-15 for the trainer
20-25 for the manager
20-25 for the promoter
Cutmen 2 percent
The fighter pays the sparring partners
Expenses
Travel
I'm not a boxing insider but if these figures are accurate that is a huge chunk out of the fighters purse. Yes I realize that these other people have expenses but still that's a lot of money gone.
https://www.************.com/2018/09/canelo-ggg2-fans-are-angry-with-results-says-abel-sanchez/
Stop that's called DAMAGE CONTROL. When your trainer throws you under the bus and says you didn't win and it takes an army of GGG butt sore fans demanding he be fired and killing him online and still it took him a full week until he backtracked every comment he made on fight night because he realized oh shyt I'm about to get fired let me kiss GGG azzz so he won't fire me. But you can't make his true feelings go away it's already on tape no matter how bad you try. lol He told GGG during the fight that he was losing and did dozens of interviews after the fight saying he didn't win and punked out of Mexican Style made it clear what he really thought. 1 week later was nothing more then calculated statements hoping to put out the fire he created. When your own trainer don't think you won until a week later and is peer pressured and forced to say to try and save his job says it all.
This is what Sanchez looked like 1 week later when he was finally forced to say ok now I change my mind GGG won the fight. Hail Hydra! Can you please untie me now? lol
https://media2.giphy.com/media/5honHkGDV2Ek9EwSbI/giphy.gif
It's just too bad Maxi Pad that we still got the video of him saying this before the cult got their hands on him 1 week later lol
I already gave you the videos stop playing dumb
www.bloodyelbow.com/platform/amp/2018/9/16/17867586/golovkin-trainer-abel-sanchez-i-scored-the-fight-even-credit-canelo-alvarez-boxing-news
“I scored the fight even. I thought that the 12th round was the pivotal round. I said to Golovkin in the corner that I thought we were behind in about the 8th or 9th, and I told him I needed the rounds at the end. I thought it was even, but you know what? Canelo won, and that’s what’s important.”
“I think it merits (a third fight). I think this fight was a one-round fight.”
Sanchez also said in another interview that he felt Golovkin took the 12th round off
This is my favorite Sanchez asked in front of GGG did he think the decision was fair and does he have a message for upset GGG fans who thought he won the fight lol
Sanchez message to GGG fans
"We appreciate the support, But we can't be hypocritical and ***** about every decision that doesn't go our way. Listen the judges were good judges and they saw the fight for Canelo"
So like is said he didn't think GGG won the fight he did many interviews making that point very clear. And his message to upset GGG fans was the judges were good stop crying like bytches said that in front of GGG lol. You should take his advice
“Golovkin can box. He had over 350 amateur fights,” Abel Sanchez said to Ring Magazine. “His boxing is very effective. I can’t see how they could see the fight and have it even going into the 12th. The 12th should not have been the deciding round. I didn’t complain on the night because , ‘Here we go again.’ I think the outrage in the public’s eyes and the people that have watched it again is enough or has been so strong that Oscar had to come out with some kind of crazy letter to try and excuse it,” Sanchez said.
Sanchez feels that the three judges scored the fight for Canelo based on him coming forward as the aggressor without them giving Golovkin credit for the boxing that he was doing in the fight. The judges seemed to be impressed with Canelo moving forward, and that appeared to be more than enough for them to give him the victory. In other words, Canelo just walking forward was enough for the judges to give the highly popular Mexican fighter the win without him doing anything special in the fight.
Canelo’s promoter Oscar De La Hoya of Golden Boy Promotions wrote a letter to the boxing public defending Canelo against the many fans that were criticizing his victory on social media after the fight. It seemed desperate on De La Hoya’s part to take on the many critics of the results of the fight, because no matter what he said, he wasn’t going to be able to change the opinion of the fans who had watched the fight and felt that Golovkin should have been given the victory.
”I think unfortunately we’re losing fight fans because of decisions like this,” Sanchez said. ”Yes, it was a close fight. He didn’t lose. He just didn’t get the decision. The first fight was not as decisive because there was no action. In this fight because of the boxing Gennady did, I had it 7-5. The outrage in social media was enough to convince me that I was right,” Sanchez said.
https://www.************.com/2018/09/canelo-ggg2-fans-are-angry-with-results-says-abel-sanchez/
Then he thought it was a draw. That's what he says there.
So like is said he didn't think GGG won the fight he did many interviews making that point very clear. And his message to upset GGG fans was the judges were good stop crying like bytches said that in front of GGG lol. You should take his advice
I already gave you the videos stop playing dumb
www.bloodyelbow.com/platform/amp/2018/9/16/17867586/golovkin-trainer-abel-sanchez-i-scored-the-fight-even-credit-canelo-alvarez-boxing-news
“I scored the fight even. I thought that the 12th round was the pivotal round. I said to Golovkin in the corner that I thought we were behind in about the 8th or 9th, and I told him I needed the rounds at the end. I thought it was even, but you know what? Canelo won, and that’s what’s important.”
“I think it merits (a third fight). I think this fight was a one-round fight.”
Sanchez also said in another interview that he felt Golovkin took the 12th round off
This is my favorite Sanchez asked in front of GGG did he think the decision was fair and does he have a message for upset GGG fans who thought he won the fight lol
Sanchez message to GGG fans
"We appreciate the support, But we can't be hypocritical and ***** about every decision that doesn't go our way. Listen the judges were good judges and they saw the fight for Canelo"
Then he thought it was a draw. That's what he says there.
Yup, ggg is always going to be an offensive fighter he is not going to be a slick boxer at his age, Roach is the best trainer for him he will bring that aggression back that ggg was lacking.
I think roach can show ggg things Abel can’t. But I don’t think ggg’s aggression was never lacking. He just does not get aggressive with fighters that are good. His aggression was gone with canelo and Jacobs but was back when he fought that replacement in May when canelo got suspended.
I bet when he fights this next no hoper he will look like the ggg everybody was used to seeing.
Spare me the tears. Isnt it funny how these trainers form such close connections with their best fighters who bring them the money. They never have some father and son relationship with a bum.
thats how it is in life overall. fathers love successful kids more than bum kids
That would be a good trainer for him.
Yup, ggg is always going to be an offensive fighter he is not going to be a slick boxer at his age, Roach is the best trainer for him he will bring that aggression back that ggg was lacking.
Show me the vídeo where he says Golovkin lost the fight. Besides saying "can't argue with judges decision" and then saying he still thought Golovkin won.
He said this AFTER the 7th round so mathematically it means GGG lost (There were no point deductions, knockdowns or 10-8 rounds).
It’s funny seeing guys who used to defend Isabella Sanchez when we were calling him a liar now turn on him lol. It’s just hilarious
That is bull****. There are a lot of Golovkin supporters myself included that were critical of Sanchez since the beginning. There wss that young fighter from England that left Sanchez for the exact reasons the OP described. No variety in the Sanchez gym.
Effective aggression and power punching rules. If you outland your opponent in power punching in 9 of 12 rounds, I doubt the judges will give it to your opponent.
Canelo outlanded GGG in 9 of 12 rounds in power punching, for a total of 143 to 113. GGG stayed back and jabbed, jabbed, and jabbed. Canelo came forward and landed more telling blows in more rounds. After GGG and Sanchez spoke of big drama show, Mexican style, coming to fight, etc, GGG came to get on his bike and jab his way through the fight. And it was Canelo coming forward.
If GGG wanted to potshot and win fights like Mayweather, he needs to also lower the amount of punches landed on him, especially telling blows, by being more elusive. Jabbing and potshotting while also getting hit with as much power punches as he was is an uphill battle on the scorecards.
Even if you assign 1 power punch 2 points vs 1 point for a jab Golovkin still outscored him in the majority of the rounds.
Almost every punch that landed for Golovkin landed to the head of Canelo. That wasn't the case for Canelo who threw more body punches. Golovkin out landed him in jabs 2 to 1. Golovkin out landed him in in combined punches in 10 of the 12 rounds. Canelo's power punches never forced Golovkin to the ropes, staggered him, or forced him to abandon the center of the ring. He had some abrasions but that doesn't score points against him. Golovkin fought him the way a fighter is supposed to fight a pressure fighter with faster hands. Step back when necessary use your jab, circle and land power shots. Canelo couldn't slip the jab of Golovkin even though he had a prior fight in order to learn how. So who was more effective over all? The man who didn't learn from the first fight or the man that landed more punches over all. That would be Golovkin. Fights are scored by rounds and jabs are scoring punches. That's the way boxing is structured. The judges got it wrong.
Wasn’t GGG more like Wlad and Vitali when he first started? And it was Sanchez who made him become more offensive and more exciting to watch?
And GGG fans swore that he was a defensive genius, bringing up compubox numbers of how little GGG got hit.
I’ll tell you what actually happened. The truth is that everyone before Jacobs and Canelo were lower leveled fighters, and that’s what GGG got used to. So when he fought Jacobs and Canelo and could not KO them, it was a shock to his ego that he actually had to use his boxing skills to win. He did alright imo, neither Canelo or Jacobs dominated him. They had great success against him, especially Canelo. But no fighter dominated in those fights (GGG didn’t either).
Truth is at the top level you’re going to get hit, you’re to have draws and close fights and you will not dominate every top fighter at that level. Like since the beginning of time.
No trainer in the world can help GGG at this point at the elite level. Anyone saying otherwise is only fooling themselves. Have any top trainer train GGG for a third Canelo fight, GGG may still lose.
I never said GGG was a defensive genius, but he is a highly skilled boxer. Sanchez never taught GGG defense, no head movement, how to block or slip punches. Sanchez never taught GGG on how to utilize his boxing skills during those 9 years. Yeah Jacobs is a step up from most of Golovkin's opponents, but he looked terrible against Jacobs. He's getting hit too much, that blame should be on Sanchez because whatever gameplan he had for Jacobs and Canelo it wasn't effective enough, and it's pretty obvious.
When a fighter loses or isn't performing well, sometimes the trainer deserves blame, sometimes the fighter, in this case it's definitely the trainer. Given the way he fights, Golovkin should have hired Kevin Rooney 9 years ago. That's why I say Teddy Atlas would be a great trainer for Golovokin.
Yeah and you can't force a trainer to think on the fly and come up with an alternate plan if they don't want to. The two guys weren't in sync. Golovkin outboxed Canelo in the rematch but he didn't get the credit from the judges again. Sanchez has always said we don't adapt to our opponent we force them to adapt to us. Not exactly a blueprint for being versatile. Gennady did the right thing to move on.
Effective aggression and power punching rules. If you outland your opponent in power punching in 9 of 12 rounds, I doubt the judges will give it to your opponent.
Canelo outlanded GGG in 9 of 12 rounds in power punching, for a total of 143 to 113. GGG stayed back and jabbed, jabbed, and jabbed. Canelo came forward and landed more telling blows in more rounds. After GGG and Sanchez spoke of big drama show, Mexican style, coming to fight, etc, GGG came to get on his bike and jab his way through the fight. And it was Canelo coming forward.
If GGG wanted to potshot and win fights like Mayweather, he needs to also lower the amount of punches landed on him, especially telling blows, by being more elusive. Jabbing and potshotting while also getting hit with as much power punches as he was is an uphill battle on the scorecards.