Well I saw we were talking about Wlad's new girlfriend. Didn't want Cotto fans to feel like their boy is forgotten already. :luvbed:
Papi Santos is gonna have to put his bitch, Margie, in check!
I'm not saying it won't be a great fight with JML against those 2. JML has talent, but just not enough to beat em at this point in his career. I thought JML was going to beat PDL cause Ponce was throwing his punches all wild in that fight. I called it when it started.
I don't hate JML, I'm just no onboard the hypetrain yet.
Good points - I do hope he steps it up in Dec. Man, that honey on your avatar is FIIIINE!!!
Yea he lost to Penalosa & Vasquez06, but atleast it will be a big scale in competition compared to who he's fighting next. My number 1 choice though is R.Marquez. I don't think JML has what it takes to beat him or Izzy. That's just me though.
What is it that Juanma doesn't have to beat Rafa and Izzy? It'll be a great fight - just interested in what you think he is lacking (as far as skills)? MANY folks on this site just knew that JML was going to be KO'd by PDL...
U do realize overtraning can hurt u more than help u.
What are you talking about? If Cotto is soft it implies that he's not training enough; but I don't buy it; Cotto is right on target and will peak in a few weeks - bottomline - Cotto is carrying some water weight but you can clearly see he's solid.
Getting a head start on training is a good thing as long as you pace yourself and progressively increase the intensity of the sessions as time goes on. As a personal trainer for 12 years, it appears his training is just fine; he is not overtraining.
And what is weird is, I WANT Cotto to win...
H-TOWN WANTS Cotto to win!... I'm going to mass tonight cause the world is about the end soon... it should be a great fight with Cotto helping Pacman launch his professional karaoke career on Nov 15
Jennings briefly rocked Cotto for a moment.
Cotto's legs were buckled by the light puncher Jennings around round 3.
Someone is posting some stupid SH&T and putting your name on it
So why so much hate for Marg?
are you a Cotto fan
or
do you not like Mexicans cuz you got your a$$ kicked by a Mexican
you're not helping yourself man. It's not about hating all Mexicans - stop the madness. Tons of Cotto fans gave Tony his props after the July fight - we thought he won fair and square. Now because of Margarito's actions, it places a huge ? on that win, and if you were objective - you would recognize that like many Margarito fans on this site.
If you cared about respect for the sport and all the great Mexican fighters who are worthy of praise - then you'd understand Cotto didn't get beat by a Mexican; he got beat by an insecure fighter who dishonored you and all the great Mexican fans/fighters.
Im not being biased, so :fu2: if you think I am.
IMHO I think cotto would of been KOed by the 7th round if marg had loaded gloves. Do yall realize how bad it would hurt if Marg hit someone w/ loaded gloves. It would make someone want to quit as soon as they got hit.
Also Why whould Marg take off his gloves and show his wraps if he used plaster of paris.
I know what yall are going to say: why would marg try to use loaded gloves against a 37 year old fighter, where Marg was the fav to win. And not used them where he was an underdog.
"I know what yall are going to say: why would marg try to use loaded gloves against a 37 year old fighter, where Marg was the fav to win. And not used them where he was an underdog."
Since you went there: Why woud he use it for Mosely and not Cotto?
As a Cotto fan I could cry foul all night long but the record is still gonna show Cotto with a loss to Margarito - I'm just interested in your answer to the comment you made above.
....there would have been a different result!'
Bob Arum on the one year suspension of Antonio Margarito by the CSAC.
I agree.
Your thoughts?
You're smarter than that Perro. I'll let it slide this time - Dude, Arum even acknowledges something was used and wants the entire blame to go to Capetillo - Margarito is the top dog, it's HIS team, and he's accountable as the leader. Has nothing to do with race - if anything, California would be more accomodating to Mexicans than any other boxing commission.
Martinez got SCREWED tonight. It doesn't matter if he was up by a fraction of a second before the ref said ten. When the referee counts ten, the fight is over. Crybaby Cintron got checked and counted out
in the 7th. The fight should have been over. Then Martinez got a bullshit point deduction because of Cintron's ducking. The scoring of the fight sucked! This decision was a FUCKIN' atrocity!
TOTALLY AGREE - Cintron and Florida boxing are done.
PM some to me. I won't fuk w/ them.
Both you and Golpe are weak and blind... to think that Gabriel Montoya is objective is hilarious! Additionally, what's your point that AM was 200lbs and had to drop weight cause he was partying and all this other BS - if he was drained - that's his own damn fault for not taking the Mosley fight serious - Mosely whoops his a$$ 10 out of 10 fights. I don't care if you support Margarita or not - but stop making excuses for his Mosley loss
Against Colombian banger Ricardo Torres. Cotto was dropped and hurt big time, early in the fight. Cotto got up, gathered himself and found a way to stop Torres and win the fight.
This weekend, Victor Ortiz was 24-1 and found himself in a FIGHT, against a Ricardo Torres like puncher. He got dropped and hurt, collected himself and appearred to be able to find success in trading with Maidana. However, when the going got tough later in the fight, Ortiz seemed to want to "get going".
I've talked a lot of shit about Miguel quitting against Margarito, but in that fight with Torres, Cotto more than proved his worth. Ortiz on the other hand looked like he lost all interest in boxing when things weren't going his way.
great post bro!
Correction: he ATTEMPTED TO CHEAT. Big difference, but it's still wrong.
I'm actually a casual Cotto fan. I buy his fights, he gives me my $$$ worth. Most of his Fanatic Fans on the other hand, are retarded and crybabies.
This is why I got nothing but love for Salva, Mellow & WarCotto. They aren't bitching and crying like some of you dudes.
My favorite fighter, Oscar....quit too against a guy 2 divisions lower. You see me crying about it?? No.
Chica, I'm hurt, I thought you had love for me brother? :) I've always said Margarito was a warrior and never ducked anyone...
yeah but the gloves and handwraps get checked and approved by the NSAC so stop crying.
No one is crying here - this is the first time I ever heard that a corner rep wasn't there to check the wraps - that was big mistake on the Cotto camp.
I love the girl on your AV. I'll give her a good pounding.
that's Rosalyn Sanchez - Jazmin from MTV/TR3s show, "ReMexa" does it for me big time! (I watch it on Mute...I just can't handle Banda music)
he's not as intelligent a boxer. JMM always adapts and finds a way to win, cottos just good at sticking to a gameplan (regardless of whether its working or not, see the margarito fight).
In terms of raw physical talent i dont think theres a massive gap between them. they both have world class handspeed, great footwork, their both animals in terms of workrate and aggression, JMM has the better defense and maybe the knockout punch that cotto lacks
Agree with most of what you said except... Cotto adapts as the fight goes on - in just about every fight...ie, MOSELY...the Margarito fight was the lone exception and even then it wasn't a blow out; Cotto was giving as much as he got until his stamina shut down.
ok boriquaeer...when was Cotto headlining and why was Clottey vs Cotto on regular HBO. Shouldnt a headliner have that as a PPV? Manny hasnt a had a nonPPV in awhile.
Cotto isnt a joke though, I'm just saying Manny is a headliner and should get the lions share. Also Pac was on PPV before Cotto, Cotto was wiping someone elses ass at the time.
Dude, who cares how many PPV fights Manny has...how many PPV fights has Antonio Tarver or PBF headlined? Does that mean they're the biggest draws in boxing? Hell NO...
Cotto and Clottey was on HBO - AND??? So was Mosely and Margarito (you can't deny those could have been PPV fights and folks would have paid for it)
Cotto vs Clottey almost sold out MSG and the fight was FREE on TV... how's that for drawing power..Hmmmmmm????
I AGREE WITH YOU - Pac is the MAN right now; and YES - he deserves the largest split and should fight wherever he wants to fight. BACK TO THE MAIN POINT: Cotto vs Hatton would outsell Pac vs Hatton..... it's OK if you don't agree
He still did damn near a mil with Ricky... and he was the favorite in that fight. Manny is the bigger name in this fight and he obviously deserves the lion's share of the pot, no doubt.
Sure Pac deserves the bigger share - but his previous fights were based on DLH and Hatton's fan base - Hatton has an entire country behind him (regardless if he's a fav in a fight or not) Cotto vs Hatton would have done just the same maybe even more...
dont lie to yourself. If thats the case youre telling us Cotto is the bigger draw.
I cant even remember the last time Manny fought on a non PPV fight. Even his fight with Solis and Larios were on PPV. Cotto vs Clottey was on regular HBO.
Yes, Shodumb, I AM saying Hatton vs Cotto would have done the same if not MORE than Hatton vs Pac.... if you think I'm the only on this site who believes that then you Sho R Dumb....
Cotto was headlining PPV fights before Pac learned how to wipe his ass...
It looks like ODLH has a stable of them with Guerrero and Ortiz. The Golden Boy's future is taking a hit.
First Guerrero quits, then Kirkland gets busted and now Ortiz quits. Oh yeah, and Escobedo and Jacobs are over rated.
Oscar's gotta be pissed...but then again, these guys can always claim they never posed in sexy lingerie
I'm ignorant and you just said Mexicans quit the most. Are you ****ing serious?
I like you, but you take shit too far. Have certain Mexican fighters quit recently? Sure.
Oscar De La Hoya
Victor Ortiz
Possibly Jorge Arce
Historically, however, they have no higher ratio then any other group of fighters. Probably less then the average, as a matter of opinion.
What I said was that Puerto Rico has no more BIG stars then Mexico.
Cotto/Antonio Margarito (like it or not, he's still popular. Whether I care for him as a fighter/person doesn't matter.)
Lopez/Juan Manuel Marquez
Ivan Calderon/Marquez-Vazquez.
You can't tell me that Puerto Rico has more stars. I'm not even saying they don't have the same amount. Simple facts.
Calderon - if Puerto Rico has 2 or 3 Superstars at any given time - I'LL TAKE IT...pretty damn good for a 35X100 sq mile island compared to a country 10 times its size...
My point to all this has nothing to do with how many Mexican Boxing stars there are compared to PR stars or even which group has "quit" more, etc.
Bottomline - MANY, if not all, who considered Ortiz the next great "warrior" have to be hurting - more so, this loss obliterates any "warrior" persona his fans took for granted just cause he's a proud Mexican-American. I like the kid personally...we'll see how he recovers from this...
You can be jailed for circumstantial evidence. No need for hard evidence.
I understand you and others that want hard evidence don't want to consider all the circumstantial evidence and thats fine.
Its good enough for me that he was caught before doing it to another person.
I guess the people that always say "can't prove it" have no malice.
:dunno:
VAYA!! True True...
Thats how shit goes buddy!!!!!!!
Like I said in the other threads, I dont Knock people for quittin I knock People, who tries to act, or says they are all macho, big warriors with Huevos the size of texas and then start a quitting spree!!!!!
I mean,
Ortiz
Rubio
Guerrero
DLH
Morales
Mijares
Vazquez
Campas
Thats just to mention a few
Soon this shit will become a mexican holiday!!!!!!!
Vaya Brother! It is what it is!
Antonio Margarito may have sparked "Meldrick Taylor" syndrome in Miguel Cotto.
Margarito put the beatdown on him, plain and simple. It was a Chavez vs Taylor type beatdown. The effects of the beatdown were evident in his struggle with Josh Clottey. Clottey is not a hard puncher, yet he had Miguel running and trying to survive the final rounds. Cotto fought valiently, but he took a lot of shots and was at times, clearly shaken up by Clottey.
Cotto is no longer the same fighter, not since the Margarito beatdown. I think Freddie Roach sees this, and it's going to show in the Manny Pacquiao fight. Another smart move by Roach, they seen weaknesses in DLH and Hatton and I'm sure they see the effects of the beating Tony gave Cotto.
He was fighting with one eye against a very tough, top 5 WW for 9 rounds - Cotto had to fight a more defensive fight if he was gonna pull out the victory - didn't have sh*t to do with Margarito ...you post some solid stuff at times but damn...quit the stupidity...Cotto's about to get PAID and Margie is selling caramelos in TJ - thanks Margarito for the "beatdown"
ummmmmmmmmm he quit against Tony :thinkerg:
he needs to rematch the guy...
and don't start crying that he cheated blah blah blah. he needs to avenge that lost, simple as that.
although a rematch would be great...Tony needs the rematch more than Cotto -Tony is always going to be marked with the "cheater" label (because of the Mosely fight, not the Cotto fight) - however, most make the same conclusions for the Cotto fight (whether it's fair or not, evidence, no evidence)...Bottomline: if there is no rematch - who's career is more tainted, Cotto or Margarito? Sure as hell ain't Cotto...pretty neat, huh?
He is a young kid who faced real adversity for the first time. Everyone needs to give him one pass.
In the future he will get another heart check, if he fails that one then you can judge him.
What so many people seem to forget on here is that fighters, just like fans, are human. Everyone dogged Cotto also which frankly pissed me off, but didn't he come back and show pure grit the next time it was asked of him?
This was a kid who was spoiled by GBP as the next big thing. Everyone there was promoting him as the future Oscar. That is a ton of weight on his young shoulders. It can get to someone.
From this moment forward, he will not have those expectations. He now has something to prove to not only his promoter and the fans, but also himself.
Time will tell.
I like Victor Ortiz alot - he's a great kid and true, respectful professional - if he maintains the love for the sport - he'll learn from this experience and will benefit from it...
Man i was defending Ortiz for hours last night,i even made a post basically stating what if he would have kept fight and died like Levander Johnson or brain damaged like Oscar Diaz its titled Death please read i was a pretty decent sized thread.
OH SH*T! But your a$$ calls out Cotto as a coward and brings up Margarito/Cotto destruction every chance you get - You best correct your views on that or you're a frikn hypocrite...