I don't know if you've ever gotten in the ring with a much taller fighter but it's an absolute nightmare...
Nope just a fan (Honestly I've not punched anybody since the consequences would have involved swats on my bottom in the hallway by a mean Nun). But thank you for the detailed description of the problems, that was great!
All the bashing on Cotto, you would think he would need a couple of tune up fights to take on Rod Salka in a pick'em bout.
I know Martinez had no wheels, but it also looked to me like Cotto having a real trainer really improved him. Still yes, he's not real middleweight and has no business in the ring with GGG. That said of the very few fights I would pay big bucks to see Cotto/Canelo is one of them.
Jones is faster and a much better boxer all around.
Moorer is a harder puncher and stronger boxer though.
Jones thrashes Moorer at lighter weights.... Moorer is obviously a better HW boxer though.
Moorer KO Jones at HW. Not at lower.
Pretty much agree, but I think Moorer was a WAY better light heavyweight than most people give him credit for, he just never really got to build on it, as all the big names of a fairly strong, and very interesting division at the time flatly refused to fight him. Still I think even at 175 Jones wins two of every three times they fight by decision. Every 3rd time however, Jones goes night night. :)
I say that knowing that watching Jones at 168 in his prime was like watching Michael Jordon at his best competing against average high school players.
His window for that mantle has passed. Retire undefeated or not, he's going down as a really, really, good fighter, but no Sugar Ray Robinson or even Leonard.
Without thinking about it I think that's a part of a whole when we talk about a fighter having "power". Just the willingness to get in strong stance, take the risk, and throw lots of big shots coming forward with everything behind it.
I think thats also behind the "great punchers have bad chins" folklore. It's just that if your really throwing yourself behind the punch, your also exposing yourself a more devastating shot if the guy catches you coming in, rather than if your on your toes moving light.
Not watching, but assuming Berto won the first 5 rounds And then the next two, Floyds going to need a knockout or at least a knockdown to escape with a win.
(hey makes as much sense as this fight right?)
I didn't see much that would convince me that Golovkin could beat Ware.:boxing:
You saw nothing last night that indicated GGG could beat Ward? I'll raise you one I have seen nothing in 2 1/2" years that would indicate Ward could beat GGG ;)
No matter how people try to re-write history, Ali was no hero for "Standing up for his beliefs". Ali tried every nonsense excuse to get out of the Draft, and even whined on camera that he should be allowed to fight because the tax dollars used could help more by buying more weapons. When everything else was exhausted he THEN claimed to be a Muslim prohibited from fighting in the war (cause God knows Muslims never fight in wars...)
If he had just stood up from the start and said "I'm not going, it's wrong." instead of weaseling out by playing lawyer games, I would not agree, but I could respect it.
I love Cotto, and think getting a real trainer has actually improved him, even at the tale end of his career.
On the other hand , what the heck is he doing , just planning on tieing up the belt till he is stripped??? I just don't get what's going on with him now. He can be "War Cotto" or well deserved retirement Cotto. But he needs to make up his mind.
I knew about the wife beating thing. We know how horrible it is now, but in the 50's that was sort of common. Then again when men stopped beating their wives "The View" came on television, so that pretty much evened out the score to me.
I don't like entourages, bunch of lame hangers on trying to act tough as if they're fighting themselves. Fcuk that, didn't miss it at all.
Could not have said it better.
I think one of the major reasons as well is that they were trying to keep to a really tight time frame of when fights started, as the time was purchased I bet they had no option to "run over".
Having one guy and saying "Go!" means he goes. When you get a train of people, it's all "Esteban! quit messing with your hair, Tyrone your sunglasses are fine, Willy other direction! Billy quit praying we gotta walk now" etc.. etc..
I think he said he would pick Lennox Lewis over any heavyweight from history, thats a little different than "greatest".
I always use the example that Jesse Owens may have been one of History's greatest runners, but his times would not have gotten him a Bronze medal in the womens division of the 2012 Olympics. It does not diminish Jack Dempsey's greatness for me to accept Lennox would have steamrolled him ;)
I really like Al, his book "30 Years, 30 Undeniable Truths About Boxing" is a must read for fans. Great behind the scenes stories form his days at ESPN and Showtime, he does seem to go out of his way to not be too critical of anybody, but in todays media cesspool, I'm fine with that.
Cotto/Canelo.
I know Mayweather/Pac is the "Bigger fight", but I don't think it would be nearly as entertaining a fight as Cotto/Canelo. I also feel like Cotto/Canelo is the closer fight at this point.
RJJ first and easiest, for a time he literally looked like a totally different species, fighting mere mortals.
Second is much tougher, Tyson ruled his division with fear not seen in decades, but his peak was so short. I'd say Sugar Ray Leonard, I guess. Even though Hagler, Hearnes and Duran were right there with him, beating those legends, gotta give him his due, even though I personally liked all the other three better, style and personality wise.
I think Rubio said I'm not going to beat this guy and I just made my highest purse to date!
I seriously think he's happy just being a club fighter who headlines small boxing cards. I hope he never gets a title shot again.
Yep, from his weigh to, rolling around on the deck, he decided he was done way before that tenth second was called. Flush twice, once for bulk, second time for remainder, he is done.
The huge disadvantage GGG has to Mike Tyson is that if you were a heavyweight and wanted to be champion, you had to come beat Tyson.
Being a middle weight and not having all three major belts, people in his own division can duck him and still be "champ", or gain or lose a little bit of weight and get out of his division. Shame but it is what it is.
I don't think Golovkin fans want Cotto himself so much as the belt. When Martinez had it, we wanted Martinez. Cotto has it now, so we want Cotto. If Alvarez wins it, we'll want Alvarez.
Exactly, only two ways to greatness and huge fights nowdays. Either jump around in weight trying to force fights, or get all the belts and become undisputed champion in a division.
This way people in your own division have to fight you if they want to be champion, and you have kind of a roadblock of both entire divisions above and below you that people have to come through you or skip two weight divisions. As GGG has so much trouble getting people to fight him I think option #2 would work better for him, but understand politically it's tough to make happen.
Now he has the Financial leverage to draw in the best competition.... He's created his own opportunity.... Soon there will be more believers...
You nailed it, he created his opportunity by fighting the best he could reasonably get, as often as he could.
You fight several times on regular HBO/Showtime, you build enough fan base that people will pull out there wallets for that huge PPV everyone dreams of. You sit on your ass a year at a time after wining one or two medium fights your yesterdays news.
Don't know why fighters and promoters don't get this...
GGG needs to build himself into a bigger star. That is why I want to see GGG fight Cotto, Canelo, Chavez Jr. Then once he beats them It turns Ward vs GGG into a bigger fight and then Ward shows his stuff on PPV and takes care of GGG by winning an Easy 12 Round Decision.
If Ward stays inactive while GGG got that done over the next 2 years no one would even remember who Ward was. If Ward fights Chavez while GGG fights Cotto/Canelo, then the winners have real mega fight.
oh yeah, what about the 267 posters who picked kovalev to knock b-hop out????? this concludes that most posters fall in love with punchers and dont know shiat about boxing..wouldnt you agree?
Well now Kovalev came a lot closer to knocking BHOP out, than BHOP came to winning a single round ;)
Seriously though, I admit I was shocked at how smart Kovalev fought as well.