What does Floyd need to do to become "TBE"

He is NOT a top ten welter so is he TBE? At 140 he would be able tpo compete in the top ten but he could be beaten by many fighters in that weight class throughout history. Floyd has talent and skills but he is NOT a complete fighter, he hesitates to be agrssive he hasn't wortked in combination in years and his offense is simply incomplete compared to the greats in history. Very good fighter, better at the lower weights but brings little power and his style for the past 7 years is a bore. Soon he'll retire and the new blood will give boxing a fresh look, can't wait. Ray

Quantum Leap, Dr Sam Beckett style, into Sugar Ray Robinson's body.

Mayweather never had to face a Thomas Hearns...Other than Zab Judah, I've rarely seen him face anyone who was young, had speed, and length. A Mayweather Paul Williams would've been great, but I heard he ducked him. just cause a guy calls you out and if you dont fight them its a duck? i guess the same goes for pacquiao, since paul williams was calling both of them out at the same time, but for some reason i never see anyone say pacquiao ducked williams or sergio

Mayweather never had to face a Thomas Hearns...Other than Zab Judah, I've rarely seen him face anyone who was young, had speed, and length. A Mayweather Paul Williams would've been great, but I heard he ducked him.

In my humble opinion, it's too late for his age now and would have been good in the early 2000s if he would quell all the questions if he fought all the purported fighters that he ducked and even climbed a notch weight-wise to challenge champions... Now it is widely regarded that he is one of the most skillful...there's no question to that, he is technically sound, gifted and even awesome but, but, but because of that, then he has to go out of his way to test that against improbable opponents and not play-safe as what he does. The TBE is a very subjective "title" to be given but for that to be "mandated" by experts, judges, peers and fans then he has to satisfy all levels. Sugar Ray Robinson was widely regarded as TBE if not Muhammad Ali or Joe Louis...not the "0". Because Rocky Marciano was undefeated but in the same token there are questions unanswered. In other sports for example...Basketball, the KING is Michael Jordan and perhaps can be challenged by Magic Johnson, Bill Russell, Kareem Abdul Jabbar...in Golf, Tiger Woods, Jack Nicklaus...and so on. It's arguable but there's a certain level of unanimous and universal agreement within all levels of the sports and the fans. But with Mayweather, there's a polarizing figure here...marred by his own cherry-picking, too-few of fights, quality of fights, timing of fights, too-prizefighting-centric, and the fashion in the way he wins, via UD. Now I can appreciate the fine art of pugilism...that's why I love watching Muhammad Ali, Willie Pep, Sugar Ray Leonard and of course the names I've mentioned above (thanks to youtube). But, but, but, with Mayweather, he is only cornering a certain NICHE, the defensive approach and counter-punching wizardry. But that is again a NICHE. to be TBE, one must have a universal agreement to have a universal skill that encompasses all of the attributes from finesse, slugging, defense, OFFENSE, comeback fights (solving and coming back from oblivion and defeats), solving a jaggernaut opponent, and able to do it with such consistency over a long periods of time. In that light, I really think he falls short of that. But that doesn't mean he is skimping in terms of his stature in the annals of boxing and pugilism. In fact he ranks HIGH on the skills and wizardry (not the "0"). Jerry Rice of the San Francisco 49ers, for example, is regarded by many as the GOAT, greatest of all time PLAYER...not just the greatest WR but his demeanor, his talents, his work ethics and his championships TRANSCEND the position of the WR. He is the face of football and perhaps rivaled only by Jim Brown and Walter Payton and Jim Thorpe, Jerry Rice owns the most "unbreakable" and meaningful records existing and while pulled away from the "second best" by a wide margin. There's an undisputable and universal regards for him from the coaches, players, writers, fans and even those who doesn't like him (fans and players) still give their biggest respects towards him. Back to Mayweather, the question of "what does he has to do inorder to be that most COVETED and MYTHICAL TITLE AND LABEL, TBE?", it's mightily too-late now. He is now aging and challenged by many and skills eroding gradually and wheels falling off...we can see it and not just coming from Freddie Roach and Bob Arum. hahaha.... He might have to settle with the BEST DEFENSIVE AND COUNTER PUNCHER of ALL TIME but then he might have to contend that with the argument against Whitaker and Willie Pep. But that's no slouch at all...in my opinion (no matter how invalid for some who obviously knows more than me and more authoritative than me), in our generation he could be one of the best and SKILLFUL FIGHTER albeit untested.

He's certainly not TBE but its not fair to compare the opponents he faced/ could have faced to an era that had Hearns, Leonard, Hagler, Duran, Pryor. Its all fantasy. He dominated his era but what he did wrong was the way he acts. Peopl eand the media dislike him for the most part and that hurts a legacy the most. I hate the person but I love the skillset and say what you will but the sport needs the guy.

Now it's confirmed, maybe some of you have changed your opinion. /bump thread

There is no best ever. It's a totally subjective idea that's vulnerable to bias.

If Floyd fights and beat GGG you would find another excuse exactly the same way you just found some for fights you were saying would put Floyd in the top 10 atg. Once a hater, always a hater. You have to dangle a carrot in front of Floyd to get him to fight and do what he has to do. You have to give him an incentive to make it worth his time. Lets say if he beats GGG, he is the best of this era, and above SRL ATG wise. This time I mean it. He will have deserved to be as he took a proper risk and not a calculated one. But id still like to see him beat Pac first. I heard somewhere that Floyd wants to move up weight and fight GGG. Let's see what he does after the Pac fight, if it even happens. Not sure about this, its news to me.

There isn't anything he would do to become the best boxer ever. And that is not me hating on Floyd coz I respect his ability a whole lot, but there isnt anything he would attempt to do to become that. He is without doubt ONE OF the best we have ever seen, he is neck and neck for the title of the greatest of his entire era, but the best ever? No disrespect, but that he is not, and there isn't anything he will do from this point on to change the opinions of anybody outside of his fanbase. People say if he beats pacquiao and moved up and beats GGG, takes Cottos title and whatever else have a point, that would increase his claim to being TBE a whole lot, but will he do all those things? The answer is no and all of us with a rational standpoint know that he will simply not do all of those things before he leaves the game.

I heard somewhere that Floyd wants to move up weight and fight GGG. Let's see what he does after the Pac fight, if it even happens. ......no you didn't........

Have an entirely different career to the one he's had.

Honestly ask yourself, can he stand up to Duran, Herns, Hagler, LaMotta, Armstrong? As I said before once he saw other boxers were physicallyhis size and bigger-he took a big dump on what possibly boxings greatest weight class alltime. No way, not even top 60. A fighter needs to dare to be great. What is daring once he got to 140 and above???

To be the TBE he would have to fight the best all the way to 160. 147: - Pacman - Thurman - Khan - Danny Garcia 154: - Golovkin 160: - Ward

I heard somewhere that Floyd wants to move up weight and fight GGG. Let's see what he does after the Pac fight, if it even happens.

Beat Manny convincingly Rematch Cotto for 160lb title (If he wins 3 titles in 3 weight classes at the same time, how many fighters can say they did that?) 50-0 win 1 more fight and retire, leave while people still remember you at your best. Become a trainer (a build up the next champ) Guys like Robinson and Armstrong have so many fights so there really isn't much Floyd could do to pass them. This right here is what he needs to do to improve his current status as an all time great. I think he needs to start with a win over Pacquiao, not a domination, but a clear win. Anything shy of that I think starts to tarnish his legacy more than anything. Beating Pacquiao, taking the 160lb belt from Cotto, and hitting 50-0 would REALLY push Floyd up there in ATG status. History will end up painting him in an incredible light if he does all that.

Cottos elephant balls. canelos atg snake And beat 3 or 4 prime ATGs .

No, I don't think so. Anyone who knows anything knows I only said that to bribe Floyd to fight. You have to give Floyd and incentive to fight, as this was during the period Floyd was fighting once every 18months and cherry picking real bad. Beating old SSM and DLH, and already lost many times Cotto and Hatton at 147 who arguably lost to Collazo don't make you the GOAT, you and I know that. Next bribe is to tell Floyd that if he beats GGG at middlweight he will be fourth in the ATG books behind SRR, Aliand Pac. But the response from Floyd fans would probably be, "why should Floy give advantages, you just want him to lose? Floyd has never weighed more than 160 fight night and GGG will be 175" Basically, Floyd wont take risks and don't care about his legacy enough to do what he needs to do. But yes, Floyd, if you beat GGG you will be no2 of all tiem behind SRR. Will you fight GGG then? If Floyd fights and beat GGG you would find another excuse exactly the same way you just found some for fights you were saying would put Floyd in the top 10 atg. Once a hater, always a hater.

So if Floyd had won those four fights he'd be the GOAT to you right now? No Morales was at 122 when Floyd was at 130. If Floyd was still at 130 MAB, Morales and Pac would have stayed their asses in the lower weight classes. Morales made Floyd cry in the gym. He was not scared of no punk azz floyd.

According to you sir, beating Mosley, Cotto, Hatton and DLH would put Floyd with the SRR, SRL and Ali of this world. So youre basically one of the poster here saying Floyd is in the top 10 atg. Hugh Grant thinks Floyd is in the top 5 atg. Look at my sig. Peace No, I don't think so. Anyone who knows anything knows I only said that to bribe Floyd to fight. You have to give Floyd and incentive to fight, as this was during the period Floyd was fighting once every 18months and cherry picking real bad. Beating old SSM and DLH, and already lost many times Cotto and Hatton at 147 who arguably lost to Collazo don't make you the GOAT, you and I know that. Next bribe is to tell Floyd that if he beats GGG at middlweight he will be fourth in the ATG books behind SRR, Aliand Pac. But the response from Floyd fans would probably be, "why should Floy give advantages, you just want him to lose? Floyd has never weighed more than 160 fight night and GGG will be 175" Basically, Floyd wont take risks and don't care about his legacy enough to do what he needs to do. But yes, Floyd, if you beat GGG you will be no2 of all tiem behind SRR. Will you fight GGG then?