Blond_Beast

Its all fear. Team AJ afraid they might lose. Afraid that they left money on the table fighting big underdogs. Adraid that if they win it diminishes value to the next fights against big underdogs. Not worth their while yet.

I rewatched the Salido fight yesterday. It was an 11lb weight difference in the ring. Loma couldn’t keep him off. Salido was hitting low. Loma was holding. Can he be reduced to that again? Lomas very stylish in how he moves, but I don’t think he’s a murderous puncher. He’s good at rotating around a fighter. But they promote him like he invented a brand new style of fighting? I think the buck stops for him sooner than later.

Morales is my favourite fighter. He can be a huge p.o.s. but in a good way. Him beating Pac prolly had more to do with the fact that pac best MAB. He goes out on his shield. El Terrible gives Loma hell, prolly gets screwed out of the win, squirts water in Lomas face.

Its just playing every legal advantage you have, an age old adage in any form of professional fighting was to be as big as you can be at the weight, the idea is true, but the like all things people will find a loop hole, and the loop hole is the variation that is between dehydrated weight and the fighting weight, this varies between people and their particular system, add to this the use of drugs to draw more fluid out of you and now we have a slippery slope that can allow basically legal cheating. If your big at the weight and do it fairly I dont see anything wrong with that, if your using drugs to be able to weighin lighter or forcing another guy down with the intent of draining him its wrong. Right, if they make weight legally then I have no problem with what they rehydrate to. If they put on a lot of weight then that means they usually cut a lot which a lot of people say has negative effects. But everyone is different. Sum guys are taller than others, sum hit harder, longer reach etc. Nobody should get too bent out of shape if there’s proof u both weighed the same the day before your fight.

I think size and weight is often overrated especially when you’re competing against the elite. I hate the “he’s going to lean on him all fight” idea. Yeah I know sometimes it’s a bridge too far. When a guy is skilled, has good offence and defence of his own it’s not always easy for the bigger opponent to maximize his size advantage. You have to land punches, you have to have stamina. You basically have to be as good as the other guy and then bigger for it to work out let alone dominate. I pick Bud. I’d be happy to see it, and even proven wrong. Let’s just see some of these guys in some big fights. It’s getting ridiculous.

The western style of boxing has more influence on mixed martial arts than Jeet Kune Do. Jeet Kune Do you put your more powerful hand forward. The theory is you can land a short fast knockout blow with your dominant hand while it’s already in front of you. Too bad this isn’t how physics works. This type of punch is a jab. Jabs have been proven to be the least powerful of the punches. No need to explain the dynamics of this. You’d have to believe the “one” inch punch horsesh*t to justify this. Yeah on rare occasions some boxers ( Oscar was one ) put their dominant hand forward as their jab hand. He had a good jab and hook for sure, but this is not the norm. Yes there are similarities in boxing and Jeet Kune, maybe more than Jeet Kune Do has with kung fu, wing chun, tai chi, karate in a way. Stance, movement, slipping. But boxing was already a huge sport for over a hundred years when Bruce came along. No reason to believe he wasent influenced by it either. Ali was a superstar at the time. You know Bruce saw that. Almost all mixed martial artist fight out of a boxing stance. There’s variations of course. But it’s jabs, hooks, straights, uppercuts for the most part as far as punches go. In the clinch it’s dirty boxing.

It was easily the worst production I’ve ever seen. Snoop for the most part isn’t bad on the commentary. All the talk about weed was cringe worthy though. Snoop repping out his Crip affiliation cause thats Triller. Pete Davidson burying the whole production. I think it came off like everyone expected anyway.

Bruce has likely inspired millions to take up martial arts as well as creating a philosophy that helped give rise to modern MMA, Jake Paul inspires 12 year olds on Tik Tok, maybe you're one of them fair play. He did inspire millions. But he did it by looking cool in fake fights in the movies. He made partial arts trendy and all the posers showed up. It was straight up style over substance. You ever seen Bruce Lee in a real fight? What part of posing and making ridiculous sounds after your punches has anything to do with mma? Do you really think he’s going to knock you across the room with his one inch punch? Like that has anything to do with anything in a real fight. What was his philosophy that gave rise to modern mma? “Be Like Water?” Sure that sounds deep, great tag line, but what the hell does that even mean? Just flow? Hands down and just dodge every attack? What boxer or mma fighter represents “Be like Water” the most right now then? Did he even have any teachings that had to do with taking a fight to the ground? That’s part of modern mma right? He’s a likeable guy, smart too I’m sure. He has more experience looking cool in aviators than real fights.

I don’t blame you. You need a good sense of humour to maintain the ability to be a boxing fan. In a way we are also all sadists. I like Andrade over Charlo cause I think he tries all night. He’s competent in all aspects. He’s willing to throw. His KD one two combo was nice. I just want some of these top guys to fight each other. May the best man win. I’m not holding my breathe though. Nobody wants to fight their biggest threat unless they back the Brinks truck up to their door. They could care less if anyone else makes a profit. Hurry up and wait.

I like that Andrade throws often enough and that’s half the battle. Still when top guys fight there’s more feeling out early than a war breaking out. If your opponent is cautious and low volume it’s not so easy to take them out. Especially within two rounds, that takes a perfect shot. It’s not breaking a guy down. I think Andrade can potentially beat both guys, but I think they are all close at this point. The odds will reflect that if they ever fight. GGG has a great chin. He can be hit also. Andrade would have to hurt him early seriously and then jump on him and take him out in two. Too much would have to fall into place for me to think that’s likely at all. No precedent for this.

The first fight in Enter the Dragon he wins by submitting his opponent. In Return of the Dragon he breaks Chuck's neck with a guillotine. He trained with Gene Lebell before cross-training was a thing. His whole philosophy was not to be limited by one style. He's considered the "godfather of MMA" in the mma community. You clearly know nothing about him. Patrick Swayze ripped a guys throat out in Road House.

Dak Prescott is getting paid that for 7 years is the best Heavyweight getting paid 31 million for 7 years? Are they getting Mike 426 million for 10 years which is 35 million per year or Russell Westbrooks 41 million which increase till 2022 or Pat Mahomes 450 million which is 45 million a year. Im with you. There’s only so many spots at heavyweight to be able to earn millions. There’s what 52 guys on each nfl team and the average salary is 860k or something. But most of the guys making that little don’t even see the field. The nfl is mostly Americans. The more American heavies there are the more they are in competition with themselves. In boxing you are in the ring yourself, you don’t have a team surrounding you. In the NFL the QB is the most exposed player. They get lauded and criticized the most. Bad QBs don’t win superbowls. Most of the QBs in the nfl are considered “bad”. That’s why there isn’t an endless supply of good QBs, most get paid a ton and crap out. Heavyweight Boxing is much more exposing. Nobody likes to get punched in the face. I played rugby and football, but it’s not the same as taking and delivering punches in just a pair of shorts. Boxing won’t get you a bunch of endorsements. Boxers don’t marry famous people like the other sports. It takes so many things to come together to get to the top in boxing. A loss in boxing can cost you so much, that’s why fights are so hard to make. It’s a brutal road. There’s ingrained systems for the other sports to help you along the way. There’s a huge stigma against boxing too. There’s a lot of obvious reasons against people getting into boxing especially if they have other options.

Not all white boys like that ****... But sadly, i would say the majority of white guys lean to UFC over boxing... which speaks to a LACK of masculinity... All hail boxing Kicking people in the shins and rolling around on the ground is lame. That’s how Boxing came to be.

Any doorman at a tough club has more legit fights than Bruce Lee. Anyone who thinks 150lb Bruce Lee is so fast and powerful that he knocks out legit heavies with one punch has to imagine him playing tailback in the NFL.

If you didn't think it was going to be lopsided or end with a ko thenyou deserve to feel more than a little stupid I didn’t think Mikey was going to win. But I hoped for a more exciting fight. Spence with the shut out and not much to fear didnt/couldn’t/wouldn’t take Mikey out either though. So in the end I don’t give much credit to Spence either. So if you expected him to KO Mikey then you were well off also. I would have wished Mikey got Ko’d. But you are totally right, and I said as much, I deserved to feel stupid for hoping for more. But to be fair getting things wrong is part of the fun. If we were always so sure we’d all bet on everything and never lose. And if everyone was always right there would be no money to be made anyway.

Canelo is the kid from that classic TWILIGHT ZONE episode where you can’t think bad thoughts around him.

Watch Spence start slow, come on a bit as the fight progresses, never get out of second gear, never push, do enough to win, but that’s it. Yay.

I am a fan of Mike Tyson on the whole, I even seek out some of his interviews today, and watch some of his old fights sometimes as I do for tons of fighters, but he was what he was, and that was a top B level fighter, that was extremely well-matched in a time late-eighties when the HW was not great or full of any depth, and limited big men. Yet a lot of people say that this "mythical" "prime" Mike Tyson is the greatest HW of all time, and even the greatest P4P boxer of all time, when in reality he was top 4 at best, maybe even as low as top 7 of his era at HW. What Mike had was the aura, that side when he was unbeaten, and nobody thought he could be beaten, was awesome, and that, coupled with his very exciting and destructive style of fighting made people love him, but facts are facts, and the fact is, he did not come close to being what so many thought he was going to become, and Mike meant so much to so many people, and they still can't accept this, and every loss he had, there is an excuse for, and they don't look at the reality of Mike Tyson's flaws. Look at Tyson Fury, when the going gets tough, he's a dog that does everything he can to turn the tide, with Mike, as I say, when the going gets tough, Mike gets going, and there are so many examples of this in Tyson's career. Then take the Douglas fight, Douglas didn't just somehow win by a one-punch KO out of the blue, which can happen at HW, he completely outboxed Tyson, beat him up, broke his heart, and knocked him out, and with the exception of Mike getting through once with the knockdown, he completely nullified Tyson's offensive weaponry with a good jab and movement, and it's not like Douglas was a great HW, he was just a good one. The problems I have with Inoue are, often a lot of the champions in the really low divisions are quite average, so it's easy to rack up title defences, because of this, I feel he didn't have the proper fight experience to deal more easily with a faded, still good, but faded, Nonito Donaire, that fight was right in the balance until the late knockdown. And people putting him top 10, I'm okay with, in reality, I have him like top 20, but so many have him 1,2, or 3, and I just can't see that, even with the eye test, especially not after the Donaire fight. Yes, Donaire got a good win recently, but it was years ago that Carl Frampton schooled him. Inoue was expected to as well, but he didn't, even years later, and that has to be taken into account at this moment in time. Inoue passes the eye test, his power is phenomenal, but he has a way to go till he's up there with the very best, who have elite wins. I'm sure he learned more from the Donaire fight than he has in the rest of his fights combined, so how he goes from here depends on what he does with that knowledge and the experience of that tough battle. Totally agree on Canelo, fantastic fighter, and I don't know why people discredit him for the Golovkin fights, Golovkin at that time was elite as well, just like Canelo, and when two elites fight, it is going to be close, and the Mayweather loss, it was wide, but Canelo is a much better fighter now than he was then, and fights at a much higher weight division, which h suits as he is very thick set, but Mayweather was great that night as well, and sure the Lara fight was close, but every boxer in history has close wins on their record, i had Canelo winning it 115-113, I never got the Trout debate, the scores were too wide, but Canelo won clearly. Great post. Nice writing. I tell this story as often as I can and I apologize to anyone who bothers to read this and has heard it before. It’s a contrast to what most young fans heard growing up. I loved Mike also. We all did. Had the game. Rented his original late 80s greatest hits vhs a bunch of times. My Dad is a true boxing fan, and his dad was an amateur champ in the old country. He always said Holmes was underrated and a great fighter. Michael Spinks had outboxed Holmes. He hoped Spinks would give Mike a good challenge and try to box him. He told me Spinks was a great light heavy. This gave me pause though, being a child of the 80s physiques and weights were a big selling point back then. So the fight happened. My dad saw it closed circuit. He knew there was going to be trouble when in the locker room Spinks said he wasent afraid of Mikes power. The day after the fight I asked my Dad what happened, he told me. He was disappointed. I felt awful. I knew a boxer needed a foil to make great fights. Yeah knew about Ali v Frazier etc. If Tyson could destroy everyone I knew that wasent great for boxing. I asked my dad if he thought there was anybody out there that could beat Mike Tyson? His eyes light up and he said “Well son there is this guy named Evander Holyfield...” and he stood by that. He took bets at the pub when they finally fought, but only at even odds. He knew Evander would win and he didn’t want to ruin anyone’s night. He also told me JCJ Sr. fought a lot of taxi cab drivers. But he did respect him. He actually does like Bivol though I haven’t heard him talk about him lately. Im with you, I don’t see too much that makes me really excited about him. My brother saw Tyson Fury’s pro debut, I caught the end of it. He was pimple covered and pear shaped. But we both agreed he’d be HW champ one day. It’s not a surprise. I remember seeing Manny before he fought MAB, he was amazing. Jab Jab straight left. I was telling everyone about this Pinoy who used to wear two different sandals down the street. When MAB showed up with long bangs vs Manny, my brother turned to me and said MAB will lose. There was no doubt. Morales is my favourite fighter, but I think beating Manny had more to do with sticking it to MAB then anything, Anywho that’s enough out of me.

Lol. Inoue, who edged past the shell of Nonito Donaire, three years after Donaire was schooled by Carl Frampton! Inoue is not in my top 50. Canelo is 2 P4P behind the great Tyson Fury. I’m with you with Tyson being one of the most overrated boxers ever. Still a huge fan, and he was a great attraction. But his skills are more myth than reality. I could go on. As far as Inoue I really like his stuff. Its hard for me to call him overrated on the same level as I just don’t hear enough brag about him or lofty comparisons against other fighters. He’s also in a lower weight which is less recognized, and most would have a hard time even mentioning his peers throughout history. I love the all action style of Japanese fighters, their heart, their chins, but usually they lack power and defence. Inoue brings power and a level of skill far beyond most Japanese fighters. His win vs Donaire though not easy looks good with Donaire’s latest ko win. But I can’t see how he could ever be above Canelo. If anyone is wanting to learn to box, Canelo is the style all kids should try to emulate and pull off if capable. He throws 90mph fast balls all night. He slips punches. He bangs a guys sides until they flinch right into uppercuts.

Look at his resume and he is NOT a bum. Wilder is not a bum just like a prime Mayorga wasnt a bum. True and true. I think the original term was “stumblebum”, well that’s what Groucho Marx called Marciano’s opponents to Rock’s mom’s face. No way you can go as far as Wilder has and be anything close to a bum. I don’t love the guy. But I think he’s an underrated boxer. He can go 12rnds and still KO someone at any time. He probably has the single hardest punch we’ve seen. He can go for broke, unlike a lot of fighters. The guy started way late. If he can ad a wrinkle or two he’d be that much harder. But I still think his willingness to send his shots is his strength. If he loses that then he will be so much less.

I think Ali had the potential to beat anyone ever.

All Mikey had to do was do better than expected. Or have the fight be more action than it was, or even end in a brutal KO that elevated Spence and gave him a highlight reel moment at least. It wasent the outcome that mattered, the fight could have been called “A Bridge too Far”. It was just the lack of in ring excitement. It was a boring 12 round fight. No Mikey with the Rocky moment, no Spence with the brutal beat down to shove in everyone’s faces. If you bet Spence by decision then you were the winner, but couldn’t have been fun to root for...

Oscar was always weird if you ask me. Still he fought everyone. Fights weren’t hard to make with him either, which is one thing that you have to appreciate about his career more than ever. I hope he doesn’t come back. But I mean why not box the other Paul Brother then? He could box Sergio Martinez if he wanted an ex champ? Imagine he boxed Beterbiev?

I'm sure last night's performance won't have changed opinions of him, but Haney went to foreign soil and became undisputed champion. That has to count for SOMETHING, right? Right. Especially when you look at the rough foul filled fight Manny had with Horn and the outcome. Haney was textbook where Lopez was sloppy vs Kambosos. It was always going to be a very different looking fight. I expected Haney to win on points but maybe get caught once or twice as he has before. I was disappointed in Kambosos he really didn’t seem to have a good plan. No jab. Missed big a few times. Haney’s a tough nut to crack for anyone.

Was a big fan but he’s been a part time fighter for a long time now. That’s fine. I just don’t expect much. He doesn’t talk much. I’m glad he didn’t get the Manny fight. I just don’t try to worry about Mikey anymore. He captured people’s imagination with picking Spence at first but then was so lop sided that it kind of set boxing back in the end. We all felt a little stupid. Spence is a great fighter of course. Not a big fan but he’s gonna be tough to beat. Probably get him an Bud in your home town when it’s all too late.

Every boxer should be laser measured before each fight and have their reach measured and the full tale of the tape done legitimately by a third party. All fighters should be weighed before they get in the ring on fight night. Fans should demand this. I was laser measured at just a c*nt hair over 5’10” but every guy I meet who says they are 5’10” says I must be 6”, it’s ridiculous.

Awesome story man. That's a great experience with Rodger Leonard ringside. I had the opportunity to meet Marvis Frazier one time and he was incredibly humble and funny. He was surprised I recognized him and when I told him I'd seen him fight on TV, he asked me if i saw him standing up or laying down. What a classy guy. What a great quote. I’ll share that story with the fam. Nice work.

oscar lost a ton of weight from that broadcast he was on in the spring. probably a good 40 or more pounds. IDK what the fuk he did to lose it but hes got to be a mess. Yeah he had full moon face at that broadcast. I haven’t seen any update pics while he was training though. Being hospitalized for a few weeks will suck the weight off you though. I would have liked to have seen him vs Vitor. I had him winning. I figured if he could maintain his style with the high guard and economical footwork, he’d eventually start getting to Vitor with the jab and hook. Oscar is so much more skilled than Vitor as a boxer. Vitor still had that mma stance in there vs Evander. MMA guys think they are great boxers but they aren’t. Save Anderson Silva. I wish he did Boxing all along. I know he was the P4P in mma, but let’s face it this is a boxing forum. His power is so surprising with those skinny arms. But he lands sharp and clean. Great counters.

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Blond…have you lost your mind? :rofl: No, no, it’s not lost just merely misplaced… it’s here somewhere I know it. I remember taking it out so I could bet on Maravilla to beat Cotto… I actually remember thinking Sergio would win. Then I saw the build up promotion and Sergio refused to let anyone even see him shadow box, and was in a tracksuit the whole time. Then I saw a pic of him come out looking pretty chubby. I was surprised because he was supposed to be an ex bicyclist and cardio guy. A guy like that i my ends up getting fat if he can’t train, he had bad wheels. I was concerned. Then my Dad who is by far the best at predicting any fight tell us that Sergio is “Leaking Oil”. Then I was really concerned. Course I stuck to my guns, I should have known when Sergio was wearing Jammers to cover the knee braces and put on roller skates instead of boxing shoes. Sigh. Still tell me what you don’t like and do like about the matchup?