Canelo or Inoue, who ranks higher P4P?

Canelo is the kid from that classic TWILIGHT ZONE episode where you can’t think bad thoughts around him.

Canelo is #1

I am a fan of Mike Tyson on the whole, I even seek out some of his interviews today, and watch some of his old fights sometimes as I do for tons of fighters, but he was what he was, and that was a top B level fighter, that was extremely well-matched in a time late-eighties when the HW was not great or full of any depth, and limited big men. Yet a lot of people say that this "mythical" "prime" Mike Tyson is the greatest HW of all time, and even the greatest P4P boxer of all time, when in reality he was top 4 at best, maybe even as low as top 7 of his era at HW. What Mike had was the aura, that side when he was unbeaten, and nobody thought he could be beaten, was awesome, and that, coupled with his very exciting and destructive style of fighting made people love him, but facts are facts, and the fact is, he did not come close to being what so many thought he was going to become, and Mike meant so much to so many people, and they still can't accept this, and every loss he had, there is an excuse for, and they don't look at the reality of Mike Tyson's flaws. Look at Tyson Fury, when the going gets tough, he's a dog that does everything he can to turn the tide, with Mike, as I say, when the going gets tough, Mike gets going, and there are so many examples of this in Tyson's career. Then take the Douglas fight, Douglas didn't just somehow win by a one-punch KO out of the blue, which can happen at HW, he completely outboxed Tyson, beat him up, broke his heart, and knocked him out, and with the exception of Mike getting through once with the knockdown, he completely nullified Tyson's offensive weaponry with a good jab and movement, and it's not like Douglas was a great HW, he was just a good one. The problems I have with Inoue are, often a lot of the champions in the really low divisions are quite average, so it's easy to rack up title defences, because of this, I feel he didn't have the proper fight experience to deal more easily with a faded, still good, but faded, Nonito Donaire, that fight was right in the balance until the late knockdown. And people putting him top 10, I'm okay with, in reality, I have him like top 20, but so many have him 1,2, or 3, and I just can't see that, even with the eye test, especially not after the Donaire fight. Yes, Donaire got a good win recently, but it was years ago that Carl Frampton schooled him. Inoue was expected to as well, but he didn't, even years later, and that has to be taken into account at this moment in time. Inoue passes the eye test, his power is phenomenal, but he has a way to go till he's up there with the very best, who have elite wins. I'm sure he learned more from the Donaire fight than he has in the rest of his fights combined, so how he goes from here depends on what he does with that knowledge and the experience of that tough battle. Totally agree on Canelo, fantastic fighter, and I don't know why people discredit him for the Golovkin fights, Golovkin at that time was elite as well, just like Canelo, and when two elites fight, it is going to be close, and the Mayweather loss, it was wide, but Canelo is a much better fighter now than he was then, and fights at a much higher weight division, which h suits as he is very thick set, but Mayweather was great that night as well, and sure the Lara fight was close, but every boxer in history has close wins on their record, i had Canelo winning it 115-113, I never got the Trout debate, the scores were too wide, but Canelo won clearly. Great post. Nice writing. I tell this story as often as I can and I apologize to anyone who bothers to read this and has heard it before. It’s a contrast to what most young fans heard growing up. I loved Mike also. We all did. Had the game. Rented his original late 80s greatest hits vhs a bunch of times. My Dad is a true boxing fan, and his dad was an amateur champ in the old country. He always said Holmes was underrated and a great fighter. Michael Spinks had outboxed Holmes. He hoped Spinks would give Mike a good challenge and try to box him. He told me Spinks was a great light heavy. This gave me pause though, being a child of the 80s physiques and weights were a big selling point back then. So the fight happened. My dad saw it closed circuit. He knew there was going to be trouble when in the locker room Spinks said he wasent afraid of Mikes power. The day after the fight I asked my Dad what happened, he told me. He was disappointed. I felt awful. I knew a boxer needed a foil to make great fights. Yeah knew about Ali v Frazier etc. If Tyson could destroy everyone I knew that wasent great for boxing. I asked my dad if he thought there was anybody out there that could beat Mike Tyson? His eyes light up and he said “Well son there is this guy named Evander Holyfield...” and he stood by that. He took bets at the pub when they finally fought, but only at even odds. He knew Evander would win and he didn’t want to ruin anyone’s night. He also told me JCJ Sr. fought a lot of taxi cab drivers. But he did respect him. He actually does like Bivol though I haven’t heard him talk about him lately. Im with you, I don’t see too much that makes me really excited about him. My brother saw Tyson Fury’s pro debut, I caught the end of it. He was pimple covered and pear shaped. But we both agreed he’d be HW champ one day. It’s not a surprise. I remember seeing Manny before he fought MAB, he was amazing. Jab Jab straight left. I was telling everyone about this Pinoy who used to wear two different sandals down the street. When MAB showed up with long bangs vs Manny, my brother turned to me and said MAB will lose. There was no doubt. Morales is my favourite fighter, but I think beating Manny had more to do with sticking it to MAB then anything, Anywho that’s enough out of me.

Why are they better? It certainly isn’t because of their accomplishments. Donaire has had one loss at bantamweight in 20 years. Inoue beat him in 2019. His previous loss at bantamweight came in 2001. Its 2021. Thats one loss in 20 years. I didn’t say Donaire is better than Canelo. He’s better than GGG, which is Canelo’s best win. Nicolas Walters was an undefeated featherweight champion who had beaten Vic Darchiyan. He wasn’t a part time boxer. Are you really stupid or just pretending? His first fight at Bantam was Dec 2010. Basically 2011. Right before the Montiel fight. He had been fighting at Flyweight before then. The Darchynian fight in 2005 was at Flyweight, I remember that one. Also remember the Montiel fight being at Bantam. And him fighting Jorge Arce a year or two later, which turns out is a higher weight class. So no, that's not 20 years of him competing at Bantam.

Why are they better? It certainly isn’t because of their accomplishments. Donaire has had one loss at bantamweight in 20 years. Inoue beat him in 2019. His previous loss at bantamweight came in 2001. Its 2021. Thats one loss in 20 years. I didn’t say Donaire is better than Canelo. He’s better than GGG, which is Canelo’s best win. Nicolas Walters was an undefeated featherweight champion who had beaten Vic Darchiyan. He wasn’t a part time boxer. His loss in 2001 (in his second fight, mind you) was at 115. He was undefeated at Bantamweight prior to fighting Inoue.

Quote me where I've trashed GGG or called him a bum. Didn’t use your name. But a large percentage of Canelo fans are the quickest to call Golovkin a fraud and a bum and untalented

Canelo and it's not even close.

Yet in the next thread over they call Golovkin a fraud and a bum like he didn’t beat you the first time and isn’t Canelo’s best win by far lol Quote me where I've trashed GGG or called him a bum.

They wanted to trash Golovkin since he was Canelo’s biggest rival. Now that he’s Canelo’s best win, they need to build him up. I enjoy using their hypocrisy against them. Quote me where I've trashed GGG you dumbass.

They wanted to trash Golovkin since he was Canelo’s biggest rival. Now that he’s Canelo’s best win, they need to build him up. I enjoy using their hypocrisy against them. Yet in the next thread over they call Golovkin a fraud and a bum like he didn’t beat you the first time and isn’t Canelo’s best win by far lol

Adrian Hernandez, Omar Andres Navarez, Juan Carlos Payano, Emmanuel Rodriguez and Nonito Donaire are as good or better than anyone Canelo Alvarez has fought. GGG never moved up in weight, which is where all of Donaire’s losses happened. Im not going to credit Golovkin for avoiding bigger fighters, especially when his title record at middleweight is completely made up and gifted to him. Donaire has one loss at bantamweight in 20 years. Golovkin is scared to move up. Golovkin has never fought anyone bigger than him, let alone bigger guys who are as good as Rigodeaux, Walters and Frampton. In fact, he was gifted all of his title and never really fought anyone. Therefore Donaire > GGG and Inoue > Canelo. "Adrian Hernandez, Omar Andres Navarez, Juan Carlos Payano, Emmanuel Rodriguez and Nonito Donaire." You have go to be kidding me if you think they're better than Lara, Trout, Cotto, GGG, Jacobs, Kovalev. Then again, you are an imbecile so you must really think that's true. 20 years? Where the hell do you come up with these numbers? He went to Bantam in 2011. We're in 2021. That's 11 years. Then take away the time he was fighting at Bantam. That's even less time. 20 years, lol. Damn you dumb. In what stratosphere would anyone ever think Donaire would come close to ranking better than Canelo? Only in your dumb mind. When Canelo gets plastered to ground by a part-time boxer, then you can talk.

I love seeing people move the goalposts on these things. "You're not a stud unless you move up multiple weight classes! Dare to be great!" "Donaire is a bum because he's a bantamweight who got knocked out by a featherweight" Boxingscene is always the king of consistency.

Nicholas Walters was the undefeated wba featherweight champion when he fought Donaire. He knocked out Vic darchiyan in the fight before Donaire. His only loss is to Lomachenko at 130. Lol way to spin that one. What's there to spin? He's a part time boxer who probably won't make it into the HOF. He flattened Donaire. Where's the spin?

Inoue became a three division champion by beating five world title holders, not by beating bums. Donaire is better than GGG. Donaire has lost one fight at bantamweight in 20 years. He also moved up in weight and challenged himself against bigger fighters. GGG was gifted all of his titles, never moved up, has a a fake middleweight championship defense record and never fought anyone. Duh. Who are these killers Inoue beat? A bunch of nobodies. You're just trying to build them up because you have an agenda you clown. GGG never got embarrassed like Donaire did vs Rigo. GGG never got his face planted to the mat like Donaire did vs Walters. GGG never lost to a bunch of B-C level fighters like Rosendo Sanchez and Walters and Frampton. 6 Losses. Count them 6.

I’m with you with Tyson being one of the most overrated boxers ever. Still a huge fan, and he was a great attraction. But his skills are more myth than reality. I could go on. As far as Inoue I really like his stuff. Its hard for me to call him overrated on the same level as I just don’t hear enough brag about him or lofty comparisons against other fighters. He’s also in a lower weight which is less recognized, and most would have a hard time even mentioning his peers throughout history. I love the all action style of Japanese fighters, their heart, their chins, but usually they lack power and defence. Inoue brings power and a level of skill far beyond most Japanese fighters. His win vs Donaire though not easy looks good with Donaire’s latest ko win. But I can’t see how he could ever be above Canelo. If anyone is wanting to learn to box, Canelo is the style all kids should try to emulate and pull off if capable. He throws 90mph fast balls all night. He slips punches. He bangs a guys sides until they flinch right into uppercuts. I am a fan of Mike Tyson on the whole, I even seek out some of his interviews today, and watch some of his old fights sometimes as I do for tons of fighters, but he was what he was, and that was a top B level fighter, that was extremely well-matched in a time late-eighties when the HW was not great or full of any depth, and limited big men. Yet a lot of people say that this "mythical" "prime" Mike Tyson is the greatest HW of all time, and even the greatest P4P boxer of all time, when in reality he was top 4 at best, maybe even as low as top 7 of his era at HW. What Mike had was the aura, that side when he was unbeaten, and nobody thought he could be beaten, was awesome, and that, coupled with his very exciting and destructive style of fighting made people love him, but facts are facts, and the fact is, he did not come close to being what so many thought he was going to become, and Mike meant so much to so many people, and they still can't accept this, and every loss he had, there is an excuse for, and they don't look at the reality of Mike Tyson's flaws. Look at Tyson Fury, when the going gets tough, he's a dog that does everything he can to turn the tide, with Mike, as I say, when the going gets tough, Mike gets going, and there are so many examples of this in Tyson's career. Then take the Douglas fight, Douglas didn't just somehow win by a one-punch KO out of the blue, which can happen at HW, he completely outboxed Tyson, beat him up, broke his heart, and knocked him out, and with the exception of Mike getting through once with the knockdown, he completely nullified Tyson's offensive weaponry with a good jab and movement, and it's not like Douglas was a great HW, he was just a good one. The problems I have with Inoue are, often a lot of the champions in the really low divisions are quite average, so it's easy to rack up title defences, because of this, I feel he didn't have the proper fight experience to deal more easily with a faded, still good, but faded, Nonito Donaire, that fight was right in the balance until the late knockdown. And people putting him top 10, I'm okay with, in reality, I have him like top 20, but so many have him 1,2, or 3, and I just can't see that, even with the eye test, especially not after the Donaire fight. Yes, Donaire got a good win recently, but it was years ago that Carl Frampton schooled him. Inoue was expected to as well, but he didn't, even years later, and that has to be taken into account at this moment in time. Inoue passes the eye test, his power is phenomenal, but he has a way to go till he's up there with the very best, who have elite wins. I'm sure he learned more from the Donaire fight than he has in the rest of his fights combined, so how he goes from here depends on what he does with that knowledge and the experience of that tough battle. Totally agree on Canelo, fantastic fighter, and I don't know why people discredit him for the Golovkin fights, Golovkin at that time was elite as well, just like Canelo, and when two elites fight, it is going to be close, and the Mayweather loss, it was wide, but Canelo is a much better fighter now than he was then, and fights at a much higher weight division, which h suits as he is very thick set, but Mayweather was great that night as well, and sure the Lara fight was close, but every boxer in history has close wins on their record, i had Canelo winning it 115-113, I never got the Trout debate, the scores were too wide, but Canelo won clearly.

Inoue is my favorite active boxer but I still have him ranked behind Canelo on my P4P list.

inoue is one some kobe beef, canelo is on some mexican beef.....one is organic and all natural, the other PED'd like a mothafukka!

Top 10 P4P lists usually, but not always, consists of undefeated fighters who look great against weak opposition. Hence, Crawford is there. But some boxers who look good, or just manage to win against good opposition are sometimes left out. Or put on the lower part of the list. It’s a bit of unfair list to be honest. It is safe to say that Canelo looks good/gets wins over top opposition. Really the best opponents he can fight, he fought, and beat. He has more of those wins than Inoue. Inoue has also fought very good opposition, the best he can fight, and looked good beating them. The only time he had a tough fight was really vs Donaire, a future HOFer, and he won. My point is, no matter who you think actually belongs at number 1, it’s undeniable that both are top 2. They earned their spot.

Gayweather shouLd easily be 47-3 lost to Castillo’s as a clear as day. lost To Oscar arguably lost Maidana the first fight clearly. The Judah fight should've been a DQ loss when the uncle stormed the ring.

I think we can all agree Mayweather was on the juice and he did try to hide them With his IV excuse but like the little spoiled ***** that he is he cried until to let him get away with it. Gayweather did everything possible to cheat his way to wins. Weight disadvantages Picking the gloves Picking and paying off refs and judges masking PEDs Never fighting outside of Las Vegas plenty of losses that his judges ruled in his favor He was a farce.