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Did Zab take spanish lessons because from what I know Tito doesn't speak word of english. That would've been an interesting conversation if he would've called up Tito on his cell phone.... :D More proof that Zab Judah is full of it. He is not very smart. I swear, every negative sterotype you hear about black people and the hip-hop lifestyle is masterfully reinforced by this knucklehead. He gives his people a bad name. There's only one reason I will tune in for Zab Judah fights: To see him get his ass beat. Cotto is just the type of fighter to apply the mental and physical pressure to make Judah fold like a lawn chair. They say the left hook is a good weapon against a southpaw. Cotto has that and more. Not only is Judah's jaw made of glass, but so is his psyche. He is impatient in the ring and lacks the internal fortitude to stick it out when it's crunch time at the world class level. Somebody tell me, how does Judah win this? And I'm not talking about a weight-drained Cotto fighting at 140lbs and getting rocked by southpaw Demarcus Corley (who by all intensive purposes doesn't have Zab Judah's athletisism but for sure is gets the nod in the mental toughness department). The way I see it, Zab Judah starts fast in the opening rounds, maybe even dropping Cotto once, but freezes once he realizes that he can't overwhelm Cotto and that Cotto's brutal body attack has sapped Judah of all of his speed and quickness. Cotto KO/TKO Judah in the mid to late rounds with Judah pissing blood for a week. I don't see it any other way.

If they had worn Reyes gloves in the first fight, Manny Pacquiao would've been KTFO, Pacman just doesn't realize that the extra padding in those Winning gloves saved his average chin (He has a couple KO losses by mediocre fighters) the embarrasment.

Dominate Pacquiao? I don't see that. Unless Pac do a Bernard and throws 7 punches a round. Pac will beat Terible. I'm tired of wrtitng e-essays explainin why so lemme jest say this. When Pac vs Morales on March 19, Pac was leading the card on round 5, by 1, the same round he got headbutted. From then on, Pac was fightin wit one eye. Let's see Motrales beat a healthy Pac. Erik Morales was toying with Pacquiao. See the 12th round, which was probably Pacquiao's best in the entire fight. Morales switched his stance to southpaw against a natural top notch southpaw. He did that to make the fight closer and more exciting for the fans. Dominate Pacquao? Yes sir!

PBF by late round TKO or UD/SD. Meldrick Taylor was in the same neighborhood in terms of athleticism, but his downfall was his cajones. Too brave and tough for his own good when he should've boxed & moved in the last round. Mayweather is not as stubborn. He'll stick to his gameplan for 12 rounds if he has to and give a prime JCC fits.

They use 4oz gloves as opposed to the 8oz/10oz gloves in boxing. That shot was harder than you think.

Funniest one in my recent memory was when Ricardo Mayorga said to Felix Trinidad something like, "I'm going to make you my wife, you are going to cook & clean and do my dishes." There were other incidents and the entire prefight buildup was side-splittingly hilarious :D . In the fight, he then gives one of the hardest middleweight punchers in history a free shot at his jaw. Damn, is Mayorga good for boxing or what?

Refresh my memory boys, how well does Oscar take a punch again? Oh, and not the body, Mayorga ain't throwing there. ;) He has a pretty good chin. That pretty face of his can actually take punishment well. I saw Vargas land some pretty nasty full force left hooks to his jaw at point blank range on the ropes that made me cringe, but DLH just shrugged them off. Also, Tito did land a few flush shots in the later rounds. What I'm really looking forward to is the pre-fight buildup. After enjoying the side-splitting prologue to Mayorga vs. Trinidad. I think it's going to be too entertaining to watch Mayorga hurl insult after insult at the "Golden Boy" and do whatever it takes to back it up.

Mayweather, as arrogant as he appears to be, I think he's probably even better than he says he is. People say he's ducking fighters. Give him a break if he takes on a Sharmba Mitchell now and then: Deigo Coralles, Jesus Chavez, Jose Luis Castillo, Angel Manfredy (who had just KO'ed a young Arturo Gatti) and I'm probably missing a few. That's quite a resume. Mayweather is good, so fricking good it's sick. Jesus Chavez and Arturo Gatti don't usually quit on his stools, and Diego Coralles is far from easy to knock out. He talks shit, yes. But there's nobody who works harder to keep himself in shape, nobody who dedicates themselves to their craft to augment thier physical gifts with technical mastery (unlike RJJ/Prince Hamed etc.). He just isn't fan friendly. That's his only flaw as a fighter. He will butcher Judah. He's technically/defensively superior, just as physically gifted, if not moreso. Some say he can't punch hard enough to KO Judah at welterweight, but many said he couldn't punch hard enough to do that to the lion-hearted Arturo Gatti either.

TODAY'S FIGHTERS: Left Hook: J.Lacy/J.L.Castillo Right Cross: V.Klitscho/K.Tzysu Left Cross (southpaws): M.Pacquiao Left Jab: J.Taylor Right Jab: R.Wright Power: Corrales Ring Generalmanship: B.Hopkins Workrate/Pressure: R.Hatton/J.L.Castillo Speed/Elusiveness: PFB (no brainer) Conditioning: PBF/R.Hatton Chin: A.Margarito/R.Mayorga (ko by Tito was a bodyshot) Body: B.Hopkins Defense: PFB/R.Wright Heart: A.Gatti Toughness: A.Margarito/J.L.Castillo

I think he did get his punching power psi (pounds per square inch) measured once in his prime (late 80's/early 90's) along with other heavyweights of his era. I don't remember the actual numbers, but Tyson didn't have the highest psi numbers. Fellow heavyweight Frank Bruno had the highest. But that doesn't mean anything. For example, Jeff Lacy had the highest psi rating in his punch in the entire 2000 U.S. Olympic team, higher than heavyweight teammate Calvin Brock. But Lacy probably isn't even the hardest punching Supermiddleweight in boxing.

Evander Holyfield's forehead Mike Tyson's insicors Felix Trinidad's left hook to the nuts Sam Peter's overhand right to the brain stem Oscar De La Hoya's singing voice

.. but i still think sweet pee is more effective... I'm sorry, that is just so wrong it's hilarious...I just about spewed my gatorade on my keyboard as soon as I saw that :D

how about Edwin Rosario's right hand? Haven't heard his mentioned yet. Boxing magazine editors say that his straight right hand deserves it's own plaque in the hall of fame.

It was a solid, yet not overly viscious-looking bodypunch by big, strong middleweight on the body of a natural welterweight/junior-welterweight right below the ribcage smack dab on the liver. Can't blame him for going down from that, come on now.

Stylistic mismatch in favor of PBF. DLH hates being outboxed, outspeeded. Faster and smarter than Mosley, and possibly Pernell Whittaker, Mayweather's going to put on a clinic. DLH's strong chin, ringmanship, power are going to make it close, but no cigar. But once again, who has PBF faced with DLH's power?

Great game, but awful in one aspect. Terrible, terrible choices of real life fighters available: Viscente Escobedo instead of Floyd Mayweather? (Hello!! The P4P best in boxing isn't in this game?!?) Calvin Brock instead of Sam Peter? Jesus Chavez instead Jose Luis Castillo? No Shane Mosley, Felix Trinidad, Mike Tyson, Lennox Lewis, George Foreman etc. etc.?....names that gamers and casual boxing fans can actually recognize? What the hell was EA Sports thinking?!?!?

http://www.freespaces.com/hectorjvc/finitolopez.gif hmmmm....isn't Pacquiao a southpaw? That guy getting KTFO is in an orthodox stance.

Come to think of it, if you look really really closely, most boxers don't seem P4P as ripped as most athletes in other sports. Football and basketball comes to mind, and we all know, football = weightlifting. Weightlifting is not often encouraged in the sweet science. Some boxers have hurt their ability in the past by doing too much of it. Think of Fernando Vargas' (vs. De La Hoya) and Shane Mosley's (Mosley can reportedly bench press more than Joe Frazier could in his prime) chiseled physiques. Sure it gave them increased strength in the ring, but it hampered their flexibility/range of movement and fatigued them quicker. Manny Pacquiao, can't seem to think of an explaination for him, but he has one freaky physique. He's just a train-aholic who won't quit.

all you got to do is pay close attentiont to leonards career he always fights his oppoents when he thinks they arn't at 100% percent. You act as if after the 2nd leonard fight duran never fougth again or was never in a tough fight again. in the long run duran had a longer career then any of the fighters he faced. Oh yes, I'll admit as quickly as anybody that Duran belongs among the all time greats in the sport of boxing and is a first ballot hall-of-famer. But the bottom line is, there is no denying that in the night of the 2nd Leonard fight, a man known as one of the most ferocious fighters in boxing history who was supposed to have a never-say-die attitude bi+ched out simply because his opponent was clowning around in the ring and outboxing him. That's what the original title of this thread is all about. "it's not what you say, it's what you do"....and Duran is supposedly denying the fact that he said "no mas", right?

You forget that Leanord wouldnt do what Duran did for him, and give him an immediate rematch. A rematch?!? To an opponent who quit?? I'm sorry, but a loser earns rematches by either a) losing a close fight b) giving a good losing effort c) putting up an exciting fight. Duran did none of the above in the second fight. Besides, in the Thomas Hearns fight a year later, Leonard suffered a detached retena and temporarily retired. And he did give Duran a third rematch eventually...and still, Duran couldn't defeat a torn-retena, past-his-prime Leonard.

so let me get this straight...Duran pulls a Mayorga and trashes Leonard verbally during the buildup for the first fight, which in turn con's Leonard into a flat-footed brawl. Leonard fights Duran's fight (as a fleet-footed boxer brawling with a natural brawler) and loses. Later that year, Leonard comes in with a different gameplan in mind....He uses his natuarl skills (boxing and moving) to frusterate the hell out of Duran and make him uncerimoniously quit. Duran not 100%?? Couldn't somebody tell Duran that he was in a championship bout against a (then) future hall-of-famer in his prime?? Classic case of a bully being made to look foolish and crying like a bi+ch about it. "No Mas?" hahahaha. Oh, and later in the decade...Leonard schooled him again.

the Calvin Brocks, Viscente Escobedos, and Juan Lazcanos of the video game need to leave. In their place, we need the Samuel Peters, Floyd Mayweathers, Mike Tysons and Tito Trinidads, Julio Caesar Chavezs; big name fighters. Most of the video game community consists of casual boxing fans. EA sports aren't helping themselves by putting in "prospects." We need contenders and legends.

Best Boxer- Walter Wright. Flashy skills. Probably the quickest of foot and fastest of hands in the entire cast. Powerful jab, excellent head movement. Hardest Puncher- Gary Balleto, has crushing knockout power, especially in that overhand right....too bad he tends to wing it and miss most of the time, a la Ricardo Mayorga. Strongest Fighter- K-9 Bundrage. Watch his bout w/ Steve Forbes. In the 1st round, Forbes rammed a hard jab into his stomach and K-9 simply flexed his abs on impact and glared back at him. That punch probably hurt Forbes' fist more than it hurt K9's stomach. Smartest Fighter- Steve Forbes. Probably has the best instincts and punch radar of the entire cast. The only fighter in the cast with the ability to effectively use the shoulder roll defense a la James Toney. Most Exciting- Noberto Bravo. Stout, smart pressure fighter, with underrated skills in the mold of Jose Luis Castillo. Good defense allows him to get in close and land hard combinations. Fun to watch because he brawls, but also because his skill is appreciable to the boxing audience. Best Chin- Noberto Bravo. Stood toe-to-toe with probably the hardest puncher of the season in Balleto and manhandled him. Worst Chin- Grady Brewer. A natural middleweight getting knocked down in the first round by a natural welterweight. Need I say more? Toughest- Noberto Bravo. Keeps coming forward. Never tires, never gets hurt, even against bigger men. Shows Most Heart- Grady Brewer. Went 12 rounds w/ Jermain Taylor (which few "jouneymen" can claim), was taunted and labeled a pu$$ in the beginning by the entire Gold Team before beating Barrett, also came up from the canvas to decision tough Noberto Bravo. IMO has overcome the most adversity of the entire cast. Wasn't expected to make it to the final championship but he's here.

College Nutrition Instructors say: For The Sedentary person (somebody who exercises very little or none at all): 0.8g of protein/kilogram of body weight For Strength Athletes: 1.7-1.8g of protein/kilogram of body weight For Endurance Athletes: 1.1-1.2g of protein/kilogram of body weight hoped that helped a little.

The contender fighters are darn good...in contrast to last year, the show is full of good, veteran fighters, some of who have tangled with today's pound-4-pounders, for example: Grady Brewer has taken Jermain Taylor the distance and Michael Stewart has gone toe to toe with Ricky Hatton. Ebo Elder has knocked out Courtney Burton. My only qualm with the quality of this cast is that there are hardly any fighters with upside, i.e. the Sergio Mora's and Peter Manfredo's who we can look at as possible future P4P candidates. The current cast is either on the last legs of their careers or at the crossroads. But don't get me wrong, these are good, good fighters who IMHO are P4P better fighters at this point in time than last years cast, but I'd prefer a better balance of grizzled veterans and up-and-comers who can point to their Contender exposure as a step-stool to professional stardom. Cheers to Grady Brewer for winning last night. His hometown is where I am currently stationed at (military), and it's a very small mid-western town in which I hope his success can put Lawton, OK on the map. BTW his wife, who works in our base hospital, is sizzling hot. Poor girl, I can't imagine the attention she's going to be swamped with when she get's back to work, especially from all the horomone-driven military dudes and star struck small town residents here. Ahhh, she seems like the extrovert type, she'd probably bask in all that attention :D

I think that any version of Ali except the late 70's/early 80's version would've slaughtered a prime Tyson. Sonny Liston had the same reputation and capability for destruction and was just as, if not more scary and intimidating than Tyson. And we all know what Ali did to Liston.

I would say Pac-Man, but his speed, power, explosiveness, and stamina stems mostly from his tireless work ethic and training. I would say RJJ, but while he undeniably had some crunch his his punch, he isn't going to be compared to George Foreman/Tito Trinidad P4P in the power department. I say this goes to none other than The Prince Naseem Hamed; he had some P4P dynamite in his fists (Barrera said that The Prince hits harder than Pacqiao, who KO's granite chined HOFer's), and could give RJJ a run for his money in the agility/reflexes (and showboat) department. He was just an undisciplined lug who after winning a few titles decided he didn't need to train anymore. One of the biggest wastes of talent in history.

Definitely time to move up...for somebody who is 5'11"-6'0" and walks around at 160-plus, making weight time and time again is going to shorten Chico's career....but he shouldn't move up to full welter to face Margarito, because that's just stupidity, not balls. There are a lot of great matchups at junior-welter. Corrales/Hatton or Corrales/Vivian Harris anybody? Without having to drain himself as much as before, he'll be plenty strong enough to be a major force at 140.

I loved watching Felix Trnidad. He had a pseudo peek-a-boo style too, hiding behind a high guard, feeling out the timing of his opponent's punches, and at the right moment when he has his opponent's timing down, delivering crushing counterpunches. He had incredible conditioning, never tired, never reckless, calculating, threw carefully timed shots while always moving forward. Devestating to watch. Never saw such a skinny, unmuscular body deliver such sharp, crisp powershots.

-Oscar began his career at Junior Lightweight -Bernard Hopkins began his career at Light Heavyweight -EIGHT weight classes apart!! Don't tell me that size wasn't the overwhelming factor. Bull$hit!! Let's see DLH call out Manny Pacquiao to 147 and knock him out. Then let's see who wants to give him his props afterwards. We all know what happened when DLH last faced a smaller man . And the size difference between DLH/Gatti had a lot less despairity than the size difference between DLH/Hopkins. Size not the overwhelming factor my @$$!!