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I think Quartey slices up Cotto over the full twelve to win a UD. Ike was a beast and mentally strong too -he didn't wilt or cave late in a fight. Even when Hoya had him out on his feet in the 12th, he was still trying to fight back, lol. And for the record, I had Ike winning against Oscar and Forrest, but not Vargas. I miss Ike. Another highly entertaining boxer-puncher. Bazooka!

I first discovered Sugar Shane back in 1997. What a fighter he was. That first fight with DLH in 2000 will alway be one of my fondest fight memories. Such a great competitive bout and I had a hunch Mosley was going to take it. Ditto 2009 and Margarito. Another legendary night and his last notable performance. I unfortunately, attended the Pac vs Mosley fight in Vegas and was more than a little disappointed in his performance. Ditto his attempts against Mayweather and Mora. By the time he got to Canelo, the writing was engraved on the wall. But throughout the years I'd always make a point of tuning in for a Mosley bout. The man was always entertaining and willing to let those hands fly. He was a very entertaining fighter and a fine warrior. Thank you Shane for everything. Much love from Vancouver, BC, Canada!

There is no way in hell ANY of these guys from today's era, including Calslappy, Ward, Dirrel, etc would have a prayer against a prime RJJ. Ward would get outworked through superior timing, speed, counter punching and controlled aggression. It would frustrate Ward so much that his grabbing, head butting, inside garbage would be a non factor that I am sure we'd see a systematic beat down and perhaps late round stoppage. Direll's supposedly slick style (I'm not drinking the cool aid on this guy at all) would be a cakewalk for Jones, who feasted on boxer/counterpuncher types. I know that once Jone's fell off early this decade, he fell off. But there is no disputing that in his prime, he was a bit of an untouchable. Truly a remarkable fighter. His performance against Montell Griffith in the rematch still gives me shivers and that Jones on that night, steam rolls any of these guys today.

I still Big George. And Jones was (is) a great commentator.

I like Rogan. The man is obviously a fan of boxing. I have to disagree with his take on Tyson vs Ali though. I too was around during Mike's prime and we all remember his "aura of invincibility" in the 80s. Mike disposed of many a tomato can and past prime fighter as well as some decent competition too -but nothing touching the golden era of the 1970's heavyweight division. I don't think anybody would confuse Marvis Frazier, Tony Tubbs, Carl Williams, Buster Douglas, or Frank Bruno with Joe Frazier, George Foreman, Ken Norton, Ernie Shavers, or George Chuvalo. Joe Rogan seems to think that Tyson's never ending aggression, speed, combination punching, and head movement would've been too much for Ali, that he would get touched up and KO'd within the first or second round. I could mention Ali's superior footwork, equivalent hand speed and combination punching, superior reach, stamina, killer chin, his JAB... but... I won't.... all of this so obvious... What about Ali's superior mind? Ali was famous for his ring generalship and adaptability to adjust his game plan. Plus Ali loved mind games and to get inside the head of his opponent. During Mike's prime, nobody really stretched him to the point where he had to make adjustments, had to recalculate himself and decide if he was really going to commit to fighting for the W. Tony Tucker maybe? But even then nobody made Mike rethink himself... It wasn't until Buster Douglas that the world saw what happens when Mike's "head just isn't in the game". Joe, do you really think Ali couldn't stretch Tyson past the first couple of rounds and then make those necessary adjustments in the ring? That Tyson really could've bullied Ali like he was Trevor Berbick? In my estimation, if they ever met prime for prime, Ali survives early aggression from Tyson in rds 1-3, makes necessary adjustments, and toys with him by the middle rounds -easily stopping Mike late or boxing his way to a unanimous decision. Both of Tyson's eyes would've been welted and bloody from non stop jabs, crosses, and hooks ala Tyson/Lewis in 2002.

Arreola is such a schlub. You have to like him though. He comes across as so sincere during his post fight interviews. Vladimir would do a paint job on him. Worse than Vitali did. Chris, may as well eat the tacos bro. It won't make a difference either way, hate to say.

I've never really drank the cool aid on Cotto. I've found him to a competent technical fighter, yes, but never the stuff that greats are made of. Too many of Cotto's fights end weak. Nothing, no decisive victory that the fans can sink their teeth into. Mosley, Clottey, Marg (II) are debatable fights for different reasons. And when faced with inferior competition (Mayorga), he's looked to be dialing it in -not making the sort of statement a great champion should be making. Not much point in mentioning the Pac beating. I think that Cotto is a good solid B level fighter. Certainly even back in the mid to late 90s, he wouldn't have cracked the likes of Oscar, Tito, Quartey, Mosley, Winky, Vargas, Carr...

I think that Haye was pissed at Chisora for taking away his 2nd big potential payday against a Klit. Derek actually gave Vitali a proper fight which reinforces that nobody wants to see Salesman David Haye primp and posture his way through another farce. I think Haye knew his scam was up and so he was slumming at that press conference looking for scraps from the table -and it looks as though he found some. Big thumbs up to the Klits for maintaining their class throughout this melee. True sportsman don't roll around like undereducated WWE rejects and two cent thugs (no matter how "entertaining").

this thread makes 0 sense I know! Sorry. What I meant was Sergio's box 1st/brawl later style made for an effective style last night. It reminded me of Oscar employing a similar style back when he fought Trinidad. However, last night, in the 12th round, when Sergio decided to change his plan and fight toe to toe with Jn, he narrowly escaped a KO! This made me wonder what could've happened to Oscar -IF he had chosen to stand and fight with Tito instead of using his boxing and footwork to evade danger.

Fact is Lewis took the fight on the cards. All I can remember back in 2003 about Vitali was how he had choked against Byrd a couple of years earlier, so my expectations weren't sky high. Lewis, through hard work, skill, management, and timing had worked his way into becoming the "man" from around 1999-2003. So we were nearing the end of Lewis' salad years but the end wasn't in view yet. Anyway, it came down to Vitali and his warrior heart and will that gave us something so rich to remember -an event full of drama, blood and guts. It really was one for the fans. In my estimate, it's the last heavyweight fight worth remembering and debating, which is sad once you realize it took place back in June of 2003, over a decade ago... Lewis won the fight. Vitali won the event!

I remember Mosley as a beast of a fighter in 2000. He loved to pull the trigger and would never hesitate to initiate the attack, counter, move, slip, fake, the works. He had a hell of a leaping left hook, a killer straight right and, like Pac, unreal footwork. Matter of fact, it's the lack of footwork and his reluctance to pull the trigger that really betrayed Shane as he aged (at least from my perspective). He had a classic bout with Oscar back in 2000. Took a couple of hard losses from Forrest and then there was the Winky debacles. All in all, he was one of this era's greats, a man with a true champion's heart who would never back down from a challenge, even when he was outgunned. Shane really did, at his peak, have a heart for combat.

I am 42. Canadian. 1st fight was "Ali vs Spinks I" when I was age 6. Even then I somehow knew both Ali and this amazing sport were going to be with me for life. Thanks Dad!

I fully expect Pac to punch about a thousand holes into Rios, who, for me, makes much more of an impression with how much punishment he can actually absorb and still come forward. The kid is tough as nails, no doubt. But I think he can absorb a better shot than the one he can deal. Because of this, I think he is tailor made for the kind of fighter Pac is (was?) -a high volume, mega-offensive puncher/boxer. So I'm gonna look for a Pac stoppage sometime between Rds 9-11, at which point, yes, to the casual fan, the hype of May-Pac will be placed back on the front burner.

Prime Tyson (87-89) wasn't prone to give up on himself mentally/spiritually (until the Douglas debacle). Prime Lewis, a lethal boxer/puncher, still had that china-glass chin, which twice let him down versus Rahman and McCall. Drawing that suspect chin vs a murderous offensive fighter, I'd have to give Tyson a punchers chance with his bob and weave combinations and overhand rights. If Lennox can protect his chin with a strong jab and range, I'd favour him with upper cuts and straight right hands. 75-25 Lewis.

Are we talking year 2000 Mosley? The 34-0, 32KO Mosley? Because that Mosley was a beast and a long way from the Mosley of 2010 that pitter-patted his way through 10 uneventful rounds with May. Having written this, Mayweather was always amazing. But based upon that Round 2 of May vs Mosley in 2010, I'd have to assume that Prime Mosley would be capable of creating more moments for himself. I don't believe that Mayweather could, at anytime, seriously hurt or stop Shane. I like Mosley -either by KO or split-decision.

I've never enjoyed this style of match making. If the boxer with the leverage won, that "win" would feel tainted and not legit. However, it's always poetic when it backfires ala Foreman over Moorer. But most times it's a formerly great boxer being cherry picked for their marquee name/rep and that leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

While I'm not a huge fan of either brother, I do appreciate the class and professionalism they've brought to boxing. There is no doubt the Klits are a class act.

Cotto Warrior... Cotto is a warrior... Reminds me of Gatti in a lot of ways -always willing to go to war with anyone, anywhere at anytime -win, lose or draw. He might not be the most skilled player in the game but the man has heart.

Agreed. But I'm thinking as Hopkins is perceived as a notable world renowned fighter and in this 24/7 world of ondemand viewing and YouTube highlights, it wouldn't take much for someone in Floyds inner circle to show him Nards KO Loss. Regardless I'm no Floyd hugger and would prefer he stay retired. Just speculating.

I used to love his fights back in the day but it's clear that Mosley has been finished since his fight with Margarito. He talked a lot of smack about facing both Floyd and Pac only to be dominated and embarrassed. The man showed up for a couple more pay cheques against Canelo, Cano and Mundine and didn't show much of anything in these fights. Don't be hustled by his talk. Mosley's greatness has been finished for years. But hey. It's tough to let them go.

Foreman Lyle. Gatti Ward I. Hearns Hagler. Mosley Hoya I. Lewis Golota. Tyson Holyfield I. Barrera Morales I. Quartey Vargas. Trinidad Vargas. Ali Foreman Ali Frazier (Manilla)

I don't wanna say it's easy work but Pac takes this. Most likely late round stoppage. Too much speed, foot and hand work, angles, and PAC is an elite. I like Maidana a lot but he is out of his depth. Wouldn't mind seeing Bradley vs Maidana though. I'd like Maidana with a brutal stoppage over Bradley in a war.

Both guys were buzzsaws with superior hand speed and superior foot work as well. I think Manny might edge Mosley in combinations but Shane's hooks were like blinding fast. Love them both in their primes and never tire of watching them work their stuff. Needless to say, prime RJJ was another hand speed beast. His 1-2 combination knockdown of Reggie Johnson was just stupid fast.

Evander would KO Vlad like a boss. Vitali would be more of a shootout but I still like Holyfield for the win as he had a legendary chin having faced big punchers in Tyson, Lewis, Foreman, Bowe. All other current heavies get owned by Holy who takes on all comers and retires after a long celebrated reign.

Prime is when you're in the sweet spot of being young enough to possess maximum reflex and power AND old enough that you have experience and wisdom. Typically, for an athlete, this is btw 27-33, but it can fluctuate.

Tyson Toney RJ Jn. Rios Naz Morales Ali

Mike Tyson might not qualify as a Top Ten HW (and that is open for debate) BUT he has accomplished something that hadn't been done since Ali. Tyson captured the PUBLIC INTEREST. The man's name is immortal. Go out on the street and ask 10 random people if they've heard of Lennox Lewis or Evander Holyfield or either Klitschko? Now repeat the process and ask 10 random people if they've heard of Mike Tyson? This ability to achieve this kind of effect on the global public is very, very rare.

Courtesy. Respect. Professionalism. I saw none of that on the part of that television journalist. That guy took a cheap shot so Mike immediately called him on his ****. I think a little bit of respect and professional courtesy would go a long way toward creating a balanced and civil environment. Why be classless and show disrespect when it is unwarranted? I don't blame Tyson one bit for getting steamed and I hope he realizes many of us are here as true supporters and fans.

I wonder how Cotto would've done against the 90's welters... I'm thinking Trinidad, Prime Mosley, Prime Oscar, Quartey, Whittaker, Page, Carr, and let's not forget, Forrest. RE: OP, I got Oscar by a decision or late rd TKO.

Assuming May vs Pac is off, then we all need to vote with our hard earned dollars and NEVER again spend a cent on PPV, until both fighters are retired. The boxing money hoarders (fighters, promoters, networks) need to be sent a strong message from us, the fans and lifeblood of this industry that enough is enough. Stream, download or wait until broadcast.