I knew a Panamanian named Edwards and he was black too. Seems to be a trend over there. TBH idk the history behind it.
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The reason for that is because most of the Black Panamanians are immigrants from the West Indies (Jamaica, Trinidad, Barbados). Which is why they are Black with English names.
I'm willing to bet Stevens is one of those Panamanians whose ancestry goes back to the West Indies.
Black and white.
Keith Thurman. Nothing Puerto Rican about that name.
While he's not Puerto Rican, you can't always tell what somebody is or isnt.
I mean, Curtis Stevens is Panamanian. And that's not a Spanish name now is it?
I disagree with the stoppage. It reminds me of the Mancini/Chacon fight that Richard Steele stopped (which was a bad stoppage btw).
Angulo was still able and willing to fight. So the fight should have continued. How badly he was losing is irrelevant. It's not the ref's job to keep score or decide who is going to win/lose.
Why won’t he fight Thurman? I’ve never heard that story before tbh.
He still doesn't like how Thurman never gave him a shot when Errol was coming up. He's also said he doesn't like or respect Keith on a personal level.
So therefore, he's not giving Thurman a shot, and he's made that clear numerous times
Dont they have the same trainer?
Yes, but that wouldn't stop them from fighting. Just like it didn't stop Jacobs and Derevyanchenko from fighting, even though they have the same trainer.
In this situation, Derrick James would be training Spence, Even though Charlo has been trained by James, he has also added on Joan Guzman as his assistant trainer. Guzman would most likely be bumped up to main trainer for that fight
The loser of this fight is done. They both should be trying to get Ugas' belt, unless they know that Ugas' belt will be going back to Pacquiao. I wonder if Thurman & Porter are making more against each other than they would make against Crawford.
That's exactly why. Both guys are trying to put themselves in position for a title shot. A win against a demoted Ugas would deadlock them
The problem is, Porter can't train in COVID-19 isolation. So he'll be losing 2 weeks of training AND it's unknown what effect it all has on his lungs.
His gas tank is his strongest advantage. If he doesn't have that, it means Crawford yet again benefits from a weakened fighter.
That's not Crawford's fault but it's an asterisk still.
I'm more mad at Shawn for catching it.
forgot Porter caught COVID-19, that would be a huge factor in his performance if he is the opponent. We just had Povektin looking absolutely horrible in his rematch with Whyte after his difficult battle with COVID-19.
Porter catching Covid does suck, but I'm not ready to jump to conclusions just yet. Povetkin definitely suffered greatly from catching Covid, however on the flip side, we saw Stephen Fulton bounce back from catching Covid and won the title off Angelo Leo with seemingly no after effects.
It's quite the inconvenience, but I'm not ready to give Crawford an asterisk W just yet
FTR, I’m not arguing Spence is a huge puncher either. (He’s definitely a bigger puncher than Thurman though) Peterson and Brook are more legit stoppages at 147 than anything Thurman has on his resume but I get what you’re saying, he beat them into submission as opposed to icing them. Spence doesn’t possess that Tommy Hearns kind of one punch power, he beats you up and breaks you down, more of a Mike McCallum type.
The guy I was discussing with tried to suggest Thurman’s power would trouble Spence, which I just don’t see as Spence has a good chin and Thurman evidently isn’t a big puncher.
Bundu fought both and disagrees with you
“Although Spence knocked me out and I went twelve rounds with Thurman, I think Thurman is the bigger puncher. Spence is heavy-handed but Thurman has that snap. Clearly Spence can turn your lights out if he lands clean. But I felt shockwaves through my arms whenever I blocked Thurman’s punches. He’s definitely got more snap on his shots," Bundu said.
Thurman has more 1 punch power than Spence. But he doesn't put his punches together as well as Spence. Which is why he hasn't been able to get KOs when he steps up in competition. But he's hurt damn near everyone he's been in the ring with. So it's not far fetched to think he can't hurt Spence
Spence clearly has a legit chin, and Thurman ain’t no massive puncher either, he’s never knocked out a credible Welterweight.
As soon as Thurman stepped up in competition, the stoppages stopped.
Massive puncher? No. But everybody who's been in the ring with him (sans Garcia) has attested to his power. Even if he hasn't knocked them out.
And Spence himself hasn't really been getting knockouts either lately. He didn't stop Porter or Mikey. Kell Brook quit, and Peterson's corner threw in the towel.
Most fighters stop getting KOs when they start facing top tier competition, it's not just Thurman
Lol... Bundu can talk all he wants... Thurman went 12 with him, whilst Spence rendered him unconscious.
It’s clearly evident who the bigger puncher is...
Pacquiao went 12 with Rios, Bradley stopped him. I guess Bradley has more power than Pacquiao going by that logic.
Golovkin went 12 with Jacobs, while Pirog KO'd him. Pirog is a bigger puncher than GGG?
There's more to power than just knocking someone out, and you don't necessarily have to have a ton of power to stop someone.
If Spence goes to the body, he stops Thurman. Thurman lacks Porter`s toughness.
https://twitter.com/ErrolSpenceJr/status/1153116003234177031
Spence himself has already said Thurman is tough.
And for all the talk about how weak Keith is to the body, he's never been stopped or even dropped by a body shot.
I'm on Teofimo's side, he should get more.
Loma is definitely the bigger draw, but he's not 3x the draw Lopez is. Plus Lopez is bringing more to the table than the usual Loma opponent (a belt and a 0). He should get a little more.
In comparison, look at the Loma/Linares purse.
Loma got 1.2 mil and Linares got 1 mil.
So why is the gap so much bigger for Teofimo?
I say give him closer to 2 mil and call it a day
They were never the same size. Mayweather has always been the naturally bigger heavier man. Mayweather turned pro as a jr lightweight while Pac started as a pro at 106 pounds. they did not fight for a long time because Mayweather had unfair demands on the money splitand drug tests. pac never ducked him out of fear and would rematch him right now.
Wrong. When the fight was first being negotiated in 09, Floyd agreed to a 50/50 split. Which is not only more than fair, it's actually unfair for Floyd because he was the bigger draw. The fact that he agreed to a 50/50 split just shows he wanted the fight to happen
I'm not picking against Hopkins for the rest of his career (or until his age catches up to him).
B-Hop is a cerebral assassin. And if he wants to fight you, then that means he sees something in you that he can exploit. If he doesn't, he won't fight you
bigger question is why they keep putting thurman in brooklyn or even the east coast? He should be fighting in Florida to build a hometown fanbase or fighting in Vegas. Those Brooklyn fans are never gonna be in his corner.
Florida only works for a stay busy fight. Like Thurman/Collazo. You can't have a big fight like yesterday's in Florida, not a big fight feel.
Vegas is a tough sell for anyone not named Mayweather, Pacquiao, or Canelo.
Mayweather won the 1st 5 rounds. So unless you're telling me that Castillo won every round from there on, I don't see how you could give the fight to JLC. Best you could call it for JLC was a draw.
Mayweather won a very close fight
Cotto is not leaving top rank, and mayweather must keep his last ducking excuse valid. So idk I would say this will be interesting.
Cotto works with Top Rank, not for them. He's technically a free agent and can fight whoever he wants without restrictions
:rofl::rofl:
Not sure what's so funny, but what I'm saying is true.
If JMM wins the title he becomes the 1st Mexican fighter to ever be world champ in 5 different divisions. In fact, only 5 other fighters have ever done that...
Hearns
Leonard
De La Hoya
Mayweather
Pacquiao
That's an elite list he'd be joining right there.
But yea I forgot, spiting Pacquiao is more important than establishing yourself as an ATG :rofl:
Hearn is up to his used car salesman tricks again. He's acting like Ireland is the only place it can happen at to get Taylor her biggest payday.
Problem is that Taylor has never even fought in Ireland as a pro. Eddie has no proof that she can sell out over there. If I'm Serrano, I definitely would not want to be the first for that experiment.
I don't know why he's taking a pop at Keith.
I get the feeling that Spence and Crawford don't respect Keith, they probably look down on him.
I feel like it's a personality thing. Kind of like how street dudes look down on nerds. Spence and Crawford were probably bullies growing up, and they see Keith as someone that they would have bullied.
Thurman is not fit to be at 154. His body is only designed for the 147 division. He's small, skinny and he's frail-looking. I've never seen him rehydrate fully so that he's bigger than his opponent on fight night. His skills are his best asset, not his physique.
Thurman started his career at 154, plus he campaigned at 152 in the amateurs
Giggles;n31152942]People overrating tommy fury just cause of his brotherLOL! My brother can play the piano with his eyes closed, it doesn’t mean I can play it though.
Tommy fury is trash, I’ve watched all his fights, his punches are slow and ponderous, his movement is terrible.
No, we just recognize that he came up as a legitimate boxer, which is more than anyone can say about Jake Paul. He may be trash compared to other boxers, but he's levels above Jake