What category/class of fighter do you put Luis Collazo in? There seems to be varying oppinions on how good he is going from World Class to journeyman. What do you think?
I don't think I ever said Khan-Peterson was a "robbery". The rest just sounds desperate from you. "I guess....but but but....I guess" :lol1:
I don't know how the official judges scored the Collazo fights, I haven't seen the actual cards so I don't know who they scored the early rounds to.
It takes some kind of moron to think they were "clearly beating" Collazo. Once more - go watch the fights before you comment again.
So please give me the reason why Collazo is yet to get over the hump??He's skilled and Crafty yes??So why the losses??
I don't think I ever said Khan-Peterson was a "robbery". The rest just sounds desperate from you. "I guess....but but but....I guess" :lol1:
I don't know how the official judges scored the Collazo fights, I haven't seen the actual cards so I don't know who they scored the early rounds to.
It takes some kind of moron to think they were "clearly beating" Collazo. Once more - go watch the fights before you comment again.
And the winner is.........
True I can't score,yet Peterson Khan was a robbery..Collazo Berto I bet you consider a robbery..Matt's Judah,let me guess a robbery..LMAO..OK dirk..I can't score and neither can any of the judges that gave Hatton and Berto the early rds right..Only you,bro know how to score fights..Everyone we can all go home Dirk got this..'
Your a fuccking idiot..
I don't think I ever said Khan-Peterson was a "robbery". The rest just sounds desperate from you. "I guess....but but but....I guess" :lol1:
I don't know how the official judges scored the Collazo fights, I haven't seen the actual cards so I don't know who they scored the early rounds to.
It takes some kind of moron to think they were "clearly beating" Collazo. Once more - go watch the fights before you comment again.
Yeah on your card because you can't score. You score things like "carrying the pace" and "making the fight" which are just absolutely nonsensical phrases and are not criteria for scoring boxing.
Like I said, go watch them again and come back n tell everyone that Collazo was clearly losing. That will just further confirm your stupidity.
True I can't score,yet Peterson Khan was a robbery..Collazo Berto I bet you consider a robbery..Matt's Judah,let me guess a robbery..LMAO..OK dirk..I can't score and neither can any of the judges that gave Hatton and Berto the early rds right..Only you,bro know how to score fights..Everyone we can all go home Dirk got this..'
Your a fuccking idiot..
Yes,but he was not giving a KD..I also gave a lot of early rds to Berto in that fight..Esp in the Hatton I gave Hatton damn near all the early rds..Like I said,he was losing on my card,and the only cards that matter early on in these fights..Do you deny this??BTW you do know that a boxing match is scored rd by rd right..Just have to make sure..
Yeah on your card because you can't score. You score things like "carrying the pace" and "making the fight" which are just absolutely nonsensical phrases and are not criteria for scoring boxing.
Like I said, go watch them again and come back n tell everyone that Collazo was clearly losing. That will just further confirm your stupidity.
Go watch the fights again already or just stop commenting. There is no way in hell either of those guys were beating Collazo clearly at any point in those fights.
Sh1tting hell, Collazo rocked Berto in the first round and probably should have had a knockdown. Do you not remember this?
Yes,but he was not giving a KD..I also gave a lot of early rds to Berto in that fight..Esp in the Hatton I gave Hatton damn near all the early rds..Like I said,he was losing on my card,and the only cards that matter early on in these fights..Do you deny this??BTW you do know that a boxing match is scored rd by rd right..Just have to make sure..
Yes...Yes they were..
Go watch the fights again already or just stop commenting. There is no way in hell either of those guys were beating Collazo clearly at any point in those fights.
Sh1tting hell, Collazo rocked Berto in the first round and probably should have had a knockdown. Do you not remember this?
do your homework Larrybwuttboy.
I agree with Larry,Khan is clearly the better fighter..Weather you wanna talk about resume at a giving weight or not..As far as accomplishments it's not even close..Khan was a unified Champion,and took both belts off the Champs..No question Khan is the better fighter at this point..Now Khans confidence has taken a hit,no question about it..That's what makes this match up interesting..
It's one of the dumbest observations I've ever seen from Rome-gets-KOed and that's saying something.
Collazo is a very composed fighter in the ring, never looks ruffled or under any great pressure. Even when Hatton tried to mug him early, he didn't run or hide - stayed in the pocket and picked shots. The guy is very mentally strong from what I've seen.
Again,can you point out where I said Collazo is mentally weak??I said sparring partner mentality..Jeez do you believe this to mean you are weak mentally??Cause it does not mean that at all..What it does do tho is explain why Collazo has not gotten over the hump yet..Why he can't come in to a fight and have the same success he has late in his two fights(with two fighters known for condition issues)early on..Yes Collazo is skilled,yes Collazo is crafty..So is Steve Forbes..Some guy's can't get out of that frame of mind..It's something I've notice every time I seen Collazo fight..
Rome it's called momentum. It happens in sports... It doesn't necessarily mean the person is weak minded.
Weak minded = Ortiz who quits after the tough gets going.
Collazo isnt that. He keeps trying. Your theory was proven wrong with the Hatton and Berto fight. End of.
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I really think I've been misunderstood here..Let me break this down further..
I never said Collazo was weak minded,I said he has a sparring partner mentality..There is a difference..Collazo needs success,something needs to change within the fight,in order for him to get confidence..The Berto and Hatton fights do prove this..Both Berto and Hatton are beating Collazo pretty clearly early in these fights..Before the is a change,which is both Berto and Hatton have poor conditioning..Letting Collazo now land more and giving him more confidence..Yet this was not the case while both fighters are fresh,Collazo losses to many rds therefor can not win the fight..
It;s not to suggest Collazo is weak minded,or a bad fighter..It's his mentality..I'll give you a good example..Will use Khan(since that's his next opponent),Khan is a better fighter then Collazo cause he does not have this mentality..Khan is confident from the opening bell,he fights as such throughout the fight(unless knockout)..Now Collazo is way smarter then Khan,imo Collazo has the better boxing ability,yet I feel Khan is still the better fighter..Cause he,unlike Collazo can make his own breaks(so to speak)..
Both fights Collazo had success in,was against two fighters known for having suspect conditioning..He came on in both fights mid way through..So was it something he did,or was it the opponent giving him the opening cause of their own deficiencies..
Maybe me saying Collazo is easily discourage was not fair..I do however believe my assessment of Collazo having a sparring partner mentality is still very valid..As seen in all of his fights that were consider to be step ups..He loss,weather close or wide..He was not able to get over the hump,and it's mainly due to him starting slow..Mosley was a different breed then the other two,Mosley would have out classed him no matter what(broke hand or not)..Berto is sh1t,yet it was his slow start that cost him in this fight as well as his fight against Hatton..He's not mentally weak,yet he is not the most confident fighter and it shows up when it's time for him to step up..Good news is tho,his career is not over yet..He does have another chance..
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Originally Posted by Dirk Diggler UK
It's Collazo is a very composed fighter in the ring, never looks ruffled or under any great pressure. Even when Hatton tried to mug him early, he didn't run or hide - stayed in the pocket and picked shots. The guy is very mentally strong from what I've seen.
I agree with this. Mentally he is very steady and does not get flustered.His weakness is that he is not genetically physically gifted,he has moderate power and speed so when he gets in trouble he has to feel and work himself back into the frame he does not have the explosive power to blast things round. That is where the sparing partner "impression" comes from.
He is an intelligent crafty fighter that gets the most out of what he has if he was genetically more gifted he would have been a big name because he has everything else.
The upcoming fight with Khan is interesting as they are like opposites. Khan is much more gifted but stupid with dunce level ring IQ and could be a lot better by getting more out of his talent.
I agree with you two.
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Collazo is a very good fighter, and only top level talents beat him, and beating him isnt easy, he is very composed, very experienced, mentally tough, in good shape..
He never had the hype train behind him so he had to earn everything he got.....
He is on the level of a ghost guerrero, katsidis, nate campbell, chop chop..... Good fighters but just not top level talent
Khan has his work cut out for him, and if khan beats collazo, it will be a very good win for khan and i will give him alot of credit
It's Collazo is a very composed fighter in the ring, never looks ruffled or under any great pressure. Even when Hatton tried to mug him early, he didn't run or hide - stayed in the pocket and picked shots. The guy is very mentally strong from what I've seen.
I agree with this. Mentally he is very steady and does not get flustered.His weakness is that he is not genetically physically gifted,he has moderate power and speed so when he gets in trouble he has to feel and work himself back into the frame he does not have the explosive power to blast things round. That is where the sparing partner "impression" comes from.
He is an intelligent crafty fighter that gets the most out of what he has if he was genetically more gifted he would have been a big name because he has everything else.
The upcoming fight with Khan is interesting as they are like opposites. Khan is much more gifted but stupid with dunce level ring IQ and could be a lot better by getting more out of his talent.
I wouldn't quite call Collazo elite but he's always been underrated. I think he was at his peak against Hatton (a fight I thought he won and was also robbed of a possible KD) but he looked pretty bad against Mosley and then inactivity, etc. led to uneven performances against the likes of Berto. It's nice to see him rebound and get some recognition. He's got a tough match-up ahead of him, one that will provide the answer to this thread's question.
Rome it's called momentum. It happens in sports... It doesn't necessarily mean the person is weak minded.
Weak minded = Ortiz who quits after the tough gets going.
Collazo isnt that. He keeps trying. Your theory was proven wrong with the Hatton and Berto fight. End of.
It's one of the dumbest observations I've ever seen from Rome-gets-KOed and that's saying something.
Collazo is a very composed fighter in the ring, never looks ruffled or under any great pressure. Even when Hatton tried to mug him early, he didn't run or hide - stayed in the pocket and picked shots. The guy is very mentally strong from what I've seen.
Rome it's called momentum. It happens in sports... It doesn't necessarily mean the person is weak minded.
Weak minded = Ortiz who quits after the tough gets going.
Collazo isnt that. He keeps trying. Your theory was proven wrong with the Hatton and Berto fight. End of.
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