Teofimo Lopez: Stop Low Balling Me or No Fight

Once again, I never made the claim he was a draw. I made it clear the fight is bigger than either individual. I did provide proof. The fight is slated for msg, main arena, that holds 21k. Loma’s last fight was in the hulu theater. So clearly bob realizes this is a much bigger fight by going to a venue 4x larger than Loma’s last nyc fight. Lopez is Part of the reason for this. Therefore, imo, he deserves a little more than 25%. If Loma was the draw his last fight would’ve been in msg main arena. Lopez is also a champion. I think 65/35- 63/37 Is much fairer split given the circumstances. While I understand your point in general, You are making a classic mistake in your analysis. Unknown isn’t the same as drawing power. He draws more fans to msg than Loma does. He is from the ny area and has a huge following in the Latin community. His compensation should reflect that, right? I’m not saying it should be a 50/50 split but he is a champion in his own right. if you feel champs should get more, the split should be a little better than 75/25 right? Read the BOLDand tell me you didnt say he was the bigger draw. Let's talk about circumstances now. There will be NO live gate Which means NO fans in attendance So how will them Hispanics show up to support Teofimo? Especially when they don't know who he is and the physically can't? That makes one of your best points completely invalid and irrelevant. Lomachenko is more popular in America and on the international level. You need me to provide proof for this? And Lomachenkos last fight a Hulu theater? Yeah I dont think so. He's fought at staples center and the O2 arena since, both holding over 10k people. I think its pretty interesting how you should know this but chose his smallest crowd size 3 fights ago. I wonder if that has anything to do with your agenda hmmm? Funny how, it was Teo is the bigger draw he deserves more turned quickly into, no, i said the fight is bigger than each individual. Is it? If the fight is bigger than each individual then 400k, what it would take to hit 35%, should not be holding this fight up. Odd how when you convert your favorite biased statistic in this argument into something with context your argument falls apart. Would you give up the biggest fight of your life up over 400k making a purse much bigger than you should in these times knowing that you could possibly not make 135 soon anyways? Because I'm pretty sure if he believes he could win as much as he talks 400k is nothing. Lomachenko all already took a pay cut from his contractual guarentee. Teofimo has no guarantee and would be making by far the biggest purse in his life.

Lopez should get a little more imo. 65/35 sounds about right Of course what he REALLY should do is accept the current offer, fight and beat Loma and then he'd be the guy calling shots but this generation of American fighters is entitled and soft AF and don't seem to believe in themselves as much as they claim they do on twitter So yeah give him that 10% more, if he's still pricing himself out then the offer is off the table and he can go back to fighting for peanuts

imo, he deserves a little more than 25% he is getting a little more than 25%, hes getting 27% :D

Once again, I never made the claim he was a draw. I made it clear the fight is bigger than either individual. I did provide proof. The fight is slated for msg, main arena, that holds 21k. Loma’s last fight was in the hulu theater. So clearly bob realizes this is a much bigger fight by going to a venue 4x larger than Loma’s last nyc fight. Lopez is Part of the reason for this. Therefore, imo, he deserves a little more than 25%. If Loma was the draw his last fight would’ve been in msg main arena. Lopez is also a champion. I think 65/35- 63/37 Is much fairer split given the circumstances. Actually that's not quite true. Lomachenko is the biggest draw out of all the lightweights. I've already provided data on that. If you look at the metrics for Lomachenko and Lopez for searches in the US conducted on Google for the last three years, it is a ridiculous landslide in favor of Lomachenko. In fact, you have AJ, then Wilder/Fury, Canelo (so long as it's on those special dates), GGG, Crawford/Spence, Lomachenko as far as being the biggest draws in boxing. By the way, please give an example of Lopez pulling in numbers. He hasn't headlined anywhere. So I'm curious how you know that Lopez is really an attraction other than by riding Loma's coattails .... Also, you have provided the wrong venue. Here's the correct one: On Saturday, October 3 at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas, USA Vasyl «Hi-Tech» Lomachenko will meet Teofimo «El Brooklyn» Lopez for WBO, IBF, WBA (Super) and The Ring titles in a 12-round lightweight bout. https://champinon.info/images/lomachenko-vs-lopez.jpg

Yo homie. You think this is my first day on this forum? Maybe youd love to recall some of our previous conversations. And teo is a draw. Says who. Did you provide proof? The fact is rhay Teo simply isn't a draw or nearly as big as a draw as you think. Why donyou think you consistently show zero proof? Once again, I never made the claim he was a draw. I made it clear the fight is bigger than either individual. I did provide proof. The fight is slated for msg, main arena, that holds 21k. Loma’s last fight was in the hulu theater. So clearly bob realizes this is a much bigger fight by going to a venue 4x larger than Loma’s last nyc fight. Lopez is Part of the reason for this. Therefore, imo, he deserves a little more than 25%. If Loma was the draw his last fight would’ve been in msg main arena. Lopez is also a champion. I think 65/35- 63/37 Is much fairer split given the circumstances.

Judah was trying to get payback with Spinks though. A little different. He didn't have a belt at that time either. To me, this isn't about the purse splits that are being thrown out in this thread. Whatever number he has on his mind, he should gun for it unless it is something ridiculous like say 3-4M. Lomachenko has his own deal with TR and he earned that. Lopez has value here as there is no other fight at TR for Lomachenko close to being as big as this one in the near future. Possibly down the line you can say Lomachenko vs Stevenson. I'm still not sure why this fight just isn't on PPV. Let Lopez take the risk by getting upside depending on the buys. Can get a guarantee and then upside is determined in how well the event does. That would be a fair alternative. I just hope the fight gets made because nobody makes anything if it falls apart.

Do what I did. Block his fanboy arse. Because he and a couple of others here are complete wastes of time. You can give them facts on top of facts and all the logic there is. They'll answer with bullshyt, half-assed takes, and flat out wrong info...then swear it means something. Save yourself the time and effort, they aren't boxing fans...they're dudes with a man-crush. I doubt he will because he doesn't seem to be the cowardly type like yourself. You're clearly the type of guy that likes to say some dumb a$$ ***** and then take off running.

Like why are you doing this? Just stop. Do you know what comps are? The tickets sold plus the comps don't even equal to what the hell was announced. Stop believing that crap. They announced Spence vs Porter as over 16k in the arena when in reality the number of tickets sold were 12k. Seriously, for the last time what are you even doing here? No one collects more commission reports on this board than I do. For you to think somehow whatever is announced at the fight is the real number, you are making a fool out of yourself. Then you go on to post some viewership numbers of fights that were not even mentioned once in our conversation. Just completely started moving the goal posts. But I mean if you believe Lomachenko is THIS big of a star, I really do hope TR puts this fight on PPV. No reason not to then. It would be great, then Lopez can get his upside share and the fight can happen! Do what I did. Block his fanboy arse. Because he and a couple of others here are complete wastes of time. You can give them facts on top of facts and all the logic there is. They'll answer with bullshyt, half-assed takes, and flat out wrong info...then swear it means something. Save yourself the time and effort, they aren't boxing fans...they're dudes with a man-crush.

You're a f-cking liar. You wouldn't allow yourself to be treated like this at all. Since when does "sh-t talking" factor into a business negotiation of a boxing match? You have to really hate non white people if this is your standard in business. By labeling black posters as black supremacists (not supremists you ignorant bigot) that tells me that your real issue is racial hate and bias rather than fairness. You don't care Teo could be getting screwed for obvious reasons. I didn't have any agenda. I didn't write this thread, I simply gave my opinion. I also have made clear that Loma deserves more. I did defend why I felt Lopez should get more-because the draw here is the actual fight, not necessarily each of the fighters separately. If you read all of my posts, I suggested 65/35 for Loma would be about right. I didn't see that thread and don't know why. Yo homie. You think this is my first day on this forum? Maybe youd love to recall some of our previous conversations. And teo is a draw. Says who. Did you provide proof? The fact is rhay Teo simply isn't a draw or nearly as big as a draw as you think. Why donyou think you consistently show zero proof?

Use your head. do you think 10k people at msg would only make $200k? That would be an average of $20 a ticket. You didn't read the numbers correctly. It was $560k that had been made. Most of the tickets that night cost $51.75. So if you consider that, you'd have 10,809 people in attendance. There were other tickets sold, such as the suites, which were about $310. I'm not vouching for those numbers necessarily, but that's what they would mean taking in the cost of most of the tickets for sale. I've said enough.

Then post your commission reports and not tweets. All you got is tweets? You're such a tool. This is what 6,000 people look like: https://i.redd.it/1q13xa0e3lg41.jpg This is what the Staples looked like that night: https://welovebetting.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/710437e95c6c7eb617d1e0497537746c-702x336.png https://fi-cdn.vettix.org/e-163616-548018.jpg You've got half an arena seated for 6,000 and then with the Lomachenko vs Crolla arena you have people sitting in both sides. Even seated in the galleries. It's quite a big difference. Why don't you post your commission reports? You "collector." :rofl: You're posting a tweet to which no one else has referred. Do it. I dare you. Oh no, you DARE me??? Buddy, I've posted PLENTY of commission reports. Where do you think Jedi got these numbers from? He just made them out of his a$$? You said no one else referenced Jedi's numbers? Why do you think that is? Do you know you have to request the reports? And how long they take sometimes? Now go back and tell me when the articles were written. Hearn was involved with this promotion as he had Crolla and he was clowning the sales the entire week leading up to the fight. Only 5k paid for tickets for this fight. Stop being dumb. If you just are unaware of how this works then say that and move on. But you have to be the biggest moron ever referencing to the announced attendance over the actual tickets sold. JRock vs Hurd was announced over 5k yet only like half of those tickets were actually sold and the rest were comps. For the last time, move on. Clearly you have no idea what you are talking about.

The ticket scanner can’t tell if the ticket is comped or not, only if it is legit. Use your head. do you think 10k people at msg would only make $200k? That would be an average of $20 a ticket. Now, do you honestly think msg would have a boxing match and charge an avg of $20 a seat? First off, it wasn't MSG, it was Staples in downtown LA. Second, if you take the comparables in addition to those sold, you still have 7,445 in attendance, much less than what was announced and reported in the major sporting news outlets. Moreover, if you look at what equals 6,000 people in a stadium/arena, it's only half, while at Staples you have people sitting in both sides of the arena, the floor area and also the suites. Look, if someone can give me something other than a tweet, albeit from Jed, I'll be more than happy to concede. Until then, I'm just going to move on. I think I've made my case here.

The stadium announces attendance by the number of tickets scanned at the turnstile before a basketball game or boxing card begins. The ticket scanner can’t tell if the ticket is comped or not, only if it is legit. Use your head. do you think 10k people at msg would only make $200k? That would be an average of $20 a ticket. Now, do you honestly think msg would have a boxing match and charge an avg of $20 a seat?

Like why are you doing this? Just stop. Do you know what comps are? The tickets sold plus the comps don't even equal to what the hell was announced. Stop believing that crap. They announced Spence vs Porter as over 16k in the arena when in reality the number of tickets sold were 12k. Seriously, for the last time what are you even doing here? No one collects more commission reports on this board than I do. For you to think somehow whatever is announced at the fight is the real number, you are making a fool out of yourself. Then you go on to post some viewership numbers of fights that were not even mentioned once in our conversation. Just completely started moving the goal posts. But I mean if you believe Lomachenko is THIS big of a star, I really do hope TR puts this fight on PPV. No reason not to then. It would be great, then Lopez can get his upside share and the fight can happen! Then post your commission reports and not tweets. All you got is tweets? You're such a tool. This is what 6,000 people look like: https://i.redd.it/1q13xa0e3lg41.jpg This is what the Staples looked like that night: https://welovebetting.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/710437e95c6c7eb617d1e0497537746c-702x336.png https://fi-cdn.vettix.org/e-163616-548018.jpg You've got half an arena seated for 6,000 and then with the Lomachenko vs Crolla arena you have people sitting in both sides. Even seated in the galleries. It's quite a big difference. Why don't you post your commission reports? You "collector." :rofl: You're posting a tweet to which no one else has referred. Do it. I dare you.

The stadium announces attendance by the number of tickets scanned at the turnstile before a basketball game or boxing card begins. Like why are you doing this? Just stop. Do you know what comps are? The tickets sold plus the comps don't even equal to what the hell was announced. Stop believing that crap. They announced Spence vs Porter as over 16k in the arena when in reality the number of tickets sold were 12k. Seriously, for the last time what are you even doing here? No one collects more commission reports on this board than I do. For you to think somehow whatever is announced at the fight is the real number, you are making a fool out of yourself. Then you go on to post some viewership numbers of fights that were not even mentioned once in our conversation. Just completely started moving the goal posts. But I mean if you believe Lomachenko is THIS big of a star, I really do hope TR puts this fight on PPV. No reason not to then. It would be great, then Lopez can get his upside share and the fight can happen!

LOL what? Announced attendance is whatever the promoters want to put out. Commission report is FAR more accurate. Don't embarrass yourself next time. Why are you bringing up numbers to fights that aren't relevant to the conversation? The stadium announces attendance by the number of tickets scanned at the turnstile before a basketball game or boxing card begins.

:haha: I checked it out. I'm glad I did too cause you're about to get Molly Whopped. This guy's numbers are wrong. Don't know where he came up with this, but no one but him uses these numbers. For one, I heard the attendance announced. And I'm not alone here: Announced attendance was over 10k...— Christian Esquivel (@Chris120778) May 15, 2019 "Vasiliy Lomachenko's vicious knockout of Anthony Crolla was expected, ... Anthony Crolla with a fourth-round knockout in front of 10,101 fans at ..." https://www.sportingnews.com/us/boxing/news/what-we-learned-from-vasiliy-lomachenko-knockout-of-anthony-crolla/z1jduweywmh1qioy3h20ph6y "It was pure domination for Vasiliy Lomachenko, who sent Anthony Crolla ... of 10,101 on the first anniversary of the streaming service's launch." https://www.espn.com/boxing/story/_/id/26510483/lomachenko-crushes-crolla-knockout-4th "Even when Lomachenko can't get an ideal opponent, he still puts on a show — and the raucous crowd of 10,101 at Staples Center enjoyed it." https://www.boxingscene.com/photos-lomachenko-crushes-crolla-with-brutal-knockout--137921 "Even when Lomachenko can't get an ideal opponent, he still puts on a show — and the raucous crowd of 10,101 at Staples Center enjoyed it." https://apnews.com/888fd49e60f944c89860bcee45606df8 Poor Jed. No one wants to use his bogus stats :D And here's some more info to enlighten you about how much of a draw is Lomachenko: "Top Rank promoter Bob Arum must be smiling from ear to ear today at the news that last weekend’s lightweight world title fight between Vasyl Lomachenko and Jorge Linares averaged a whopping 1.439 million viewers with a peak of 1.75 million on ESPN in their fight at Madison Square Garden in New York." https://www.************.com/2018/05/vasyl-lomachenko-vs-jorge-linares-ratings-hbo/ "The fight itself averaged 1,439,000 viewers and peaked at 1,749,000 viewers, making it the most-watched boxing fight on cable television in 2018." https://www.boxingscene.com/lomachenko-gives-up-wbo-130-title-remains-lightweight--128443' Loma vs Rigo: "he card averaged 1.73 million viewers on ESPN, which did not include ESPN Deportes or the online streaming service." http://www.boxingscene.com/espn-loma-rigo-drew-173m-viewers-no-2-on-cable-2012--123354 "The fight averaged 2,013,000 viewers, making it the second most-watched boxing match on American cable or network television in 2018. The fight peaked over 2.1 million viewers" http://www.espn.co.uk/boxing/story/_/id/25479081 "Luke Campbell on 31 August 2019, at The O2 Arena in London in front of a sold out crowd of over 18,000." Lomachenko has headlined inside the main portion of MSG in his career and three-times within the Garden's Hulu Theater. He fought before a crowd of 10,429 in Madison Square Garden's main arena. https://sports.yahoo.com/lomachenko-stops-linares-historic-third-world-title-042118514--box.html You got nothin'. Next time, you're getting knocked out of the ring. :rofl: LOL what? Announced attendance is whatever the promoters want to put out. Commission report is FAR more accurate. Don't embarrass yourself next time. Why are you bringing up numbers to fights that aren't relevant to the conversation?

Top Rank Boxing: Lomachenko vs. Crolla Box Office:Gate: $559,387.50Tickets Sold: 5,826Comps: 1,521#boxing— Jed I. Goodman (@jedigoodman) May 15, 2019 Finally found the gate and tickets sold for the fight. So yeah, as you can see, FAR from a sellout or selling 10k tickets. And if you want to know what he did against Marriaga? Vaslily Lomachenko vs Miguel Marriaga (8/5/17) Sold = 3,162 Exempt = 1,727 Live Gate = $203,138.00 Only great gate Lomachenko has done is against Linares at MSG. But overall? Far from a huge draw. :haha: I checked it out. I'm glad I did too cause you're about to get Molly Whopped. This guy's numbers are wrong. Don't know where he came up with this, but no one but him uses these numbers. For one, I heard the attendance announced. And I'm not alone here: Announced attendance was over 10k...— Christian Esquivel (@Chris120778) May 15, 2019 "Vasiliy Lomachenko's vicious knockout of Anthony Crolla was expected, ... Anthony Crolla with a fourth-round knockout in front of 10,101 fans at ..." https://www.sportingnews.com/us/boxing/news/what-we-learned-from-vasiliy-lomachenko-knockout-of-anthony-crolla/z1jduweywmh1qioy3h20ph6y "It was pure domination for Vasiliy Lomachenko, who sent Anthony Crolla ... of 10,101 on the first anniversary of the streaming service's launch." https://www.espn.com/boxing/story/_/id/26510483/lomachenko-crushes-crolla-knockout-4th "Even when Lomachenko can't get an ideal opponent, he still puts on a show — and the raucous crowd of 10,101 at Staples Center enjoyed it." https://www.boxingscene.com/photos-lomachenko-crushes-crolla-with-brutal-knockout--137921 "Even when Lomachenko can't get an ideal opponent, he still puts on a show — and the raucous crowd of 10,101 at Staples Center enjoyed it." https://apnews.com/888fd49e60f944c89860bcee45606df8 Poor Jed. No one wants to use his bogus stats :D And here's some more info to enlighten you about how much of a draw is Lomachenko: "Top Rank promoter Bob Arum must be smiling from ear to ear today at the news that last weekend’s lightweight world title fight between Vasyl Lomachenko and Jorge Linares averaged a whopping 1.439 million viewers with a peak of 1.75 million on ESPN in their fight at Madison Square Garden in New York." https://www.************.com/2018/05/vasyl-lomachenko-vs-jorge-linares-ratings-hbo/ "The fight itself averaged 1,439,000 viewers and peaked at 1,749,000 viewers, making it the most-watched boxing fight on cable television in 2018." https://www.boxingscene.com/lomachenko-gives-up-wbo-130-title-remains-lightweight--128443' Loma vs Rigo: "he card averaged 1.73 million viewers on ESPN, which did not include ESPN Deportes or the online streaming service." http://www.boxingscene.com/espn-loma-rigo-drew-173m-viewers-no-2-on-cable-2012--123354 "The fight averaged 2,013,000 viewers, making it the second most-watched boxing match on American cable or network television in 2018. The fight peaked over 2.1 million viewers" http://www.espn.co.uk/boxing/story/_/id/25479081 "Luke Campbell on 31 August 2019, at The O2 Arena in London in front of a sold out crowd of over 18,000." Lomachenko has headlined inside the main portion of MSG in his career and three-times within the Garden's Hulu Theater. He fought before a crowd of 10,429 in Madison Square Garden's main arena. https://sports.yahoo.com/lomachenko-stops-linares-historic-third-world-title-042118514--box.html You got nothin'. Next time, you're getting knocked out of the ring. :rofl:

I always reference Zab Judah taking a lowball offer to rematch Cory Spinks. I know that was years ago and I understand adjusting for inflation but the point remains the same. Zab was willing to sacrifice in order to get Spinks in the ring. Once he got him in the ring, he delivered and went on to face Floyd Mayweather Jr. and Miguel Cotto on PPV. None of that happens if Zab doesn't take the "lowball" offer and win. With that said, I am all for fighters getting as much as they can and maybe this is just a negotiation tactic on Teo's part. I just hope he doesn't overplay his hand because this is a golden opportunity for him to get out in front of his contemporaries (Shakur Stevenson, Ryan Garcia, Devin Haney) Judah was trying to get payback with Spinks though. A little different. He didn't have a belt at that time either. To me, this isn't about the purse splits that are being thrown out in this thread. Whatever number he has on his mind, he should gun for it unless it is something ridiculous like say 3-4M. Lomachenko has his own deal with TR and he earned that. Lopez has value here as there is no other fight at TR for Lomachenko close to being as big as this one in the near future. Possibly down the line you can say Lomachenko vs Stevenson. I'm still not sure why this fight just isn't on PPV. Let Lopez take the risk by getting upside depending on the buys. Can get a guarantee and then upside is determined in how well the event does.

teo should take out this little pitty pat guy whos small for 135 and do a flip, i mean its not like teo is gona get his head knocked off