Prime JAMES TONEY Vs Usyk @ 200lbs

[IronDanHamza]

usyk is a basic boxer puncher with good footwork. toney would destroy him. usyk would get KOd by a prime sam peter

Not really.

Less skilled, worse boxers than Usyk boxed rings around Toney.

Anyone with the movement and skill of Usyk would badly trouble Toney, especially a cruiserweight.

Once again, Toney never destroyed an elite fighter in his entire career and it certainly isn't starting with Usyk.

You live in a dream world where reality doesn't exist

[Nay_Sayer]

I'm doubting you've even seen Toney fight Tiberi or Johnson or any of these guys, tbh.

Fair enough. I'll go back and watch both fights then come here and post my scorecards. I should have time in the next day or so...

[BoloShot]

I have no problem giving any fighter his just due, regardless of his race.

Tyson Fury is the rightful, legitimate HW champion and #1 HW in the world. Period. End of story - and I'm not entertaining any foolishness to the contrary. No glovegate, no PED nonsense, nothing.

That said, I'm not going to pretend as if race isn't a factor in how certain fighters are promoted. Case in point, Lomachenko was considered P4P #1 over both Andre Ward and Terrence Crawford. Utter nonsense and proof that race in boxing is still an issue...

Loma wasn't p4p No. 1 over Ward. He was p4p #1 after Ward and all those guys that Usyk beat at cruiser are considered to be very good fighters at the least. Guys like Huck, Glowacki and Briedis being elite in the division. Usyk did a very good job on them in their backyards which I find to be a pretty impressive feat.

[BoloShot]

It's the weird circular logic people have with Toney. Jirov must be good because Toney is the ultimate fantasy fighter and only someone great could possibly make for such a great fight with a great fighter like James Toney.

Except for all those C level fighters who arguably beat him.

It was an entertaining fight with a slightly past it Burger King filled James Toney having it put on him by the ever basic but bruising style of Jirov before the dramatic finish. A memorable and quality fight but a battle of elite talents? No. You're right people get ****** into his good the fight was and forget the level of fighter Jirov was.

[Nay_Sayer]

Loma wasn't p4p No. 1 over Ward. He was p4p #1 after Ward

In no way, shape or form does Lomachenko - with his LOSS to a journeyman - have or had a better resume than Canelo Alvarez or Terrance Crawford. It did not and it does not exist...

[Long jabber]

Not really.

Less skilled, worse boxers than Usyk boxed rings around Toney.

Anyone with the movement and skill of Usyk would badly trouble Toney, especially a cruiserweight.

Once again, Toney never destroyed an elite fighter in his entire career and it certainly isn't starting with Usyk.

You live in a dream world where reality doesn't exist

Usyk is basic dude. Lol @ ur delusion of thinking a basuc boxer puncher with **** work rate aand an average punch beats an atg known for his iron chin in toney. He cant do anything defence and counterpunching is wayyy too freaking good for a basic fighter like usyk to do anything. Let usyk grab a title at hw like toney did before you start comparing basic usyk to atg james toney

[BoloShot]

In no way, shape or form does Lomachenko - with his LOSS to a journeyman - have or had a better resume than Canelo Alvarez or Terrance Crawford. It did not and it does not exist...

If Salido is a journeyman then so is Emile Griffith. It was his second pro fight I mean cmon now stop using the same old stick to bash him with, you ever get tired of flogging a dead horse? Crawford is very lacking in the resumé department as skilled as he is. I don't even think Loma was p4p #1 based on his resumé ever. I'm just stating what his ranking was at the time.

[Long jabber]

Loma is definitely above crawford. His win over rigo and the way he beat him is leagues above anything crawford has done

[Nay_Sayer]

If Salido is a journeyman then so is Emile Griffith.

Lol. If you say so but we'll save that debate for another time. Fact remains, Lomachenko LOST.

It was his second pro fight

Nonsense. It wasn't his second pro fight, it was his seventh.

I mean cmon now stop using the same old stick to bash him with, you ever get tired of flogging a dead horse?

Actually no. It's the sadist in me. Lol..

Crawford is very lacking in the resumé department as skilled as he is.

Ok, no argument from me. But you know what Crawford's resume is also lacking which Lomachenko's isn't? A loss...

I don't even think Loma was p4p #1 based on his resumé ever. I'm just stating what his ranking was at the time.

And my point is that Lomachenko's ranking as P4P #1 was never warranted. Not then and certainly not now...

[Nay_Sayer]

Loma is definitely above crawford. His win over rigo and the way he beat him is leagues above anything crawford has done

Lomachenko Rigo was @ 130lbs - where Rigo has done nothing. Nor had he did anything @ 126lbs. Beating Rigo @ 130 is essentially meaningless. Plus, losses COUNT. Unlike Lomachenko, Crawford lacks a loss to a journeyman on his resume. There is nothing particularly impressive about beating a guy who's coming up not one but TWO weight classes.