Prime JAMES TONEY Vs Usyk @ 200lbs

[Nay_Sayer]

They were Mediterranean people with a Mediterranean complexion. The fact he doesn't know the correlation between climate and skin colour shocks me. This is a truly senseless human. The Ancient Romans have the most reliable records of the times and they called the Carthaginians and Egyptians Mediterranean peoples, not sub Saharan.

LMAO

Dynastic Egypt had already gone through 30+ dynasties before anyone calling himself a "Roman" said anything about anyone.

And BTW, the Greeks - who came LONG before the Romans, called the Ancient Egyptians BLACK.

[IronDanHamza]

FACT: ole past it James Toney's first fight @ HW is better than what Usyk has managed in the division so far.

Wake me when Usyk beats someone of consequence...

What relevance does that have to the fact that Toney lost and struggled with fighters who werent even B class in his prime?

[Nay_Sayer]

Yeah but that wasn't my point, I just told you that you that it wasn't a ref stoppage like you said. You decided to go ahead and add that little rant at the end. I know you won't give credit to any white fighter in Earth so I guess I'll not list Usyk's achievements as only two of his good wins are against black fighters so far.

I have no problem giving any fighter his just due, regardless of his race.

Tyson Fury is the rightful, legitimate HW champion and #1 HW in the world. Period. End of story - and I'm not entertaining any foolishness to the contrary. No glovegate, no PED nonsense, nothing.

That said, I'm not going to pretend as if race isn't a factor in how certain fighters are promoted. Case in point, Lomachenko was considered P4P #1 over both Andre Ward and Terrence Crawford. Utter nonsense and proof that race in boxing is still an issue...

[Nay_Sayer]

Huh surprised you give credit to Ginger at all but I guess you see him as Latino (he's got Irish blood in there though). Not surprised you won't list the rest as you know you'll be laughed at for it.

I really don't give two ****s about his race or ethnicity. I consider him P4P based solely on his resume. Nothing else. Just because you're hung up on race - don't project your hangups on me...

[Nay_Sayer]

What relevance does that have to the fact that Toney lost and struggled with fighters who werent even B class in his prime?

James Toney doesn't have any losses to B level fighters while he was @ '60 and '68.

I'm not going to debate with you about the **** you pull out of your ass..

[IronDanHamza]

James Toney doesn't have any losses to B level fighters while he was @ '60 and '68.

I'm not going to debate with you about the **** you pull out of your ass..

He lost to Tiberi so what are you talking about? Tiberi isn't even B level.

He drew with Sanderline Williams. He isn't even B Level.

He arguably lost to Merqui Sosa. He isn't even B Level.

All at 160.

[QueensburyRules]

LMAO

Dynastic Egypt had already gone through 30+ dynasties before anyone calling himself a "Roman" said anything about anyone.

And BTW, the Greeks - who came LONG before the Romans, called the Ancient Egyptians BLACK.

- -U bigheaded Yacub hovering on the dark side of the moon coming to visit us in April Fools month?

Why U turn bleach white on the bright side of the moon?

[QueensburyRules]

I have no problem giving any fighter his just due, regardless of his race.

Tyson Fury is the rightful, legitimate HW champion and #1 HW in the world. Period. End of story - and I'm not entertaining any foolishness to the contrary. No glovegate, no PED nonsense, nothing.

That said, I'm not going to pretend as if race isn't a factor in how certain fighters are promoted. Case in point, Lomachenko was considered P4P #1 over both Andre Ward and Terrence Crawford. Utter nonsense and proof that race in boxing is still an issue...

- -Most scientists say there is no scientific basis for race.

U gonna go poof on us?

[GhostofDempsey]

That's based on the lower level of competition. Toney is on another level and Usyk would have to fight 9 rounds perfectly to get a decision. Could be a stinker of a fight too, for the same reasons. Personally I think Toney brings him into world of fighting instead of the other way around.

At cruiserweight Toney went life and death with Jirov, which was a great fight, but Jirov stood right in front of him. Usyk won’t just stand in front of Toney and trade toe to toe. I would also rank Usyk above Jirov overall as a fighter.

[bojangles1987]

Your opinion and you're welcome to it. Still, it's just your opinion, nothing more.


Robbery is a term that's used way too frequently and often without merit.


So when have I ever made that argument? Talk out of our ass much, do we?



Your opinion and, again, you're welcome to it. Still, it's just your opinion, nothing more.


Well, when your argument sounds like it comes from someone who lost all their teeth to Crystal Meth, what do you expect?

The Tiberi fight triggered government investigations into boxing. You can pretend that robbery was thrown around loosely but it is absolutely one of the most well known robberies in boxing.

And you know what, even if you want to pretend it wasn't a robbery, it was still a fight that a LOT of people had Tiberi winning. You're seriously going to pretend Toney couldn't possibly lose at cruiserweight or heavyweight to a fighter like Usyk when he was in hugely debatable fights with WORSE fighters in his prime?

My argument sounds like I'm on crystal meth when all I'm doing is pointing out the Usyk or worse level fighters that Toney couldn't beat clearly and many people had him losing to? What? Just repeating a dumb insult doesn't make it any better or make you sound any more right. Especially when you are offering literally no dissenting opinion here about these fights.

I'm doubting you've even seen Toney fight Tiberi or Johnson or any of these guys, tbh.