Prime JAMES TONEY Vs Usyk @ 200lbs

[IronDanHamza]

Toney has names on his resume.

Exactly WHO has Usyk beaten?

What does that have to do with my question?

[Nay_Sayer]

What does that have to do with my question?

My logic here is that any comparisons between Usyk and Toney are unwarranted seeing as Toney's level of opposition defecates and urinates on Usyk's level of opposition. Period, end of story. Besides that, styles make fights. So it's irrelevant if worse fighters than Bellew were able to put hands on Toney.

[IronDanHamza]

My logic here is that any comparisons between Usyk and Toney are unwarranted seeing as Toney's level of opposition defecates and urinates on Usyk's level of opposition. Period, end of story. Besides that, styles make fights. So it's irrelevant if worse fighters than Bellew were able to put hands on Toney.

Ok so if that's the case then the fact Bellew was landing on Usyk is irrelevant then isn't it.

[VatoMulatto]

Toney is good enough to win and he could even be the better boxer. However with Toney you never know what you're going to get when he enters the ring. I can see Toney win and I can see him lose.

[Nay_Sayer]

Ok so if that's the case then the fact Bellew was landing on Usyk is irrelevant then isn't it.

No.

Toney has shown good defense against a higher level of opposition than what Usyk has faced so far. It's also not irrelevant in terms of Usyk's overall lack of defense and how that particular deficit will work against him in the HW division.

Let's see what happens if/when Usyk gets in the ring with one of the top 5 @ HW...

[billeau2]

Nonsense. Total nonsense

You didn't say Bellew hit Usyk in response to me. You just said it as a statment as if if means something, in response to no one. Your statment had nothing to with anything I've said so don't try and claim you made that statment in response to what I said about Toney's poor showings.

You said;

".Remember how Tony Bellew could hit Usk? Toney would be able to do so as well."

What is your point? Bellew hit Usyk . Ok, and? What is the relevance of that statment?

You must not be able to read anymore...hence the strategy of being dense to win an argument...at least it makes sense now!

Anyhow I wrote it, thats the best I can do.... It is in the thread.

[billeau2]

Nonsense. Total nonsense

You didn't say Bellew hit Usyk in response to me. You just said it as a statment as if if means something, in response to no one. Your statment had nothing to with anything I've said so don't try and claim you made that statment in response to what I said about Toney's poor showings.

You said;

".Remember how Tony Bellew could hit Usk? Toney would be able to do so as well."

What is your point? Bellew hit Usyk . Ok, and? What is the relevance of that statment?

Dan you misread I never said that Toney would be able to hit Usyk! I said that Usyk was susceptable to being hit in a manner that Toney had been, both being hit by fighters below their level. The point was to show they were both vulnerable, that neither fighter could claim to never have been in fight where they showed weakness against a fighter beneath them.

So you cannot claim that only Toney could falter when fighting someone below his level. Usyk had a tough outing against Bellew...Bellew was actually winning the fight at a point.

[QueensburyRules]

My logic here is that any comparisons between Usyk and Toney are unwarranted seeing as Toney's level of opposition defecates and urinates on Usyk's level of opposition. Period, end of story. Besides that, styles make fights. So it's irrelevant if worse fighters than Bellew were able to put hands on Toney.

- -U make defecation in U BigBoy trainers. Usyk AMA and pro record immaculate compared to tub of goo.

More importantly his entire pro career been fought at 200+

Tub of goo has eaten himself out of every division he's been in , including heavy, no shhh Sherlock!

[IronDanHamza]

Dan you misread I never said that Toney would be able to hit Usyk! I said that Usyk was susceptable to being hit in a manner that Toney had been, both being hit by fighters below their level. The point was to show they were both vulnerable, that neither fighter could claim to never have been in fight where they showed weakness against a fighter beneath them.

So you cannot claim that only Toney could falter when fighting someone below his level. Usyk had a tough outing against Bellew...Bellew was actually winning the fight at a point.

My quote is literally a direct, verbatim, quote from you That is exactly what you said.

They're both vulnerable. Errrr, ok? Still not seeing what your point is.

I never said only Toney would falter, YOU said Bellew hit Usyk therefore Toney could. Which, I still don't see WHAT YOUR POINT IS.

No different than saying Tiberi hit Toney at will therefore Usyk would.

It's statements that mean nothing which is the whole reason I responded to your point in the first place. Because it's illogical

[dan_cov]

How many southpaws did Toney beat in his career? I know he fought two at CW lost one and barely beat the other by the skin of his teeth.

All Toney's best work came at the lower weights apart from a win over Holyfield who was totally shot and had only won about 2 of his last 7-8 fights.
He was a lot less effective moving up and almost completely reliant on fighters following him to the ropes which Usyk wouldn't do and if so he'd simply make the adjustments as he did vs Bellew.