What makes Hagler greater than De La Hoya??

[Mr.Fantastic]

Hagler had KO power with either hand and developed legitimate punches from both sides. Oscar did not have much of a right hand at all and really didn't use much of it until Floyd Mayweather Sr started training him. That ends the technique debate.

I will debunk that when I have more time to show you some examples of beautiful punches outside of Oscar's left hook.

Was a great inside fighter too, not only did he have a better jab he used it to actually set up a lot of other punches, something RuPaul couldn't do.

lol @ RuPaul. Like I said, looking at Hagler fight, a lot of the times he looked like a poor man's Chavez. This isn't ProMex/Anti Black bullshit, Chavez was just the first guy to pop up in my head.

You obviously were not following his career. And stop lying about Whitaker's pound for pound ranking at the time. Both Trinidad and Quartey were considered to be more dangerous during that period.

I'm a big Whitaker fan and I was following his career, he was still doing his thing, just not like "OmG" until a fight(Oscar) came to motivate him.


Like I asked Iron...

Then Bradley shouldn't get credit for beating Marquez? Marquez has been on the decline.
If someone beats Sergio Martinez who's been on the decline, they shouldn't get credit?
What if Bradley beats Pac? Pac is on the decline, specially after being knocked out.

Martinez, Pacquiao as well as Marquez are in the P4P list.

[joseph5620]

How the hell was Hearns #1 at MW when Hagler fought him?

And that MW dominance was good in it's own right. Don't forget Oscar's accomplishment in several divisions. 10 time world champion in 6 SIX divisions. Did he deserve to lose the Sturm fight? Yea, but he also deserved some wins with Mosley/Trinidad(lol @ close call) but that's a different discussion.

Beating the top guys throughout several divisions has it's own greatness just like dominating a certain division. Both are not easy tasks.





At early in his career too. I don't remember Oscar being above Whitaker till after the fight on the P4P list.

Look at the list. And Oscar was favored to win the fight too.

[DondiNeverLeft]

I see a lot of people talking ATG this and ATG that but yet turn around and criticize someone like Oscar for not being great.

Ok, what makes him so much greater than Oscar? Judging from watching a lot of their fights, Oscar had better technique along with having a lot of better opponents(my 2c). So why can't Oscar be in the same boat of ATGs?

Hagler would never wear women's stockings or panties to wear makeup.

Hagler never ran 4 straight rounds from any fighter.

Hagler never twisted his wraps between his knuckles to cut his opponents. Simone hece

[4Corners]

No they don't.

I'd say Hagler has like 9-10 good solid wins over at the least Top 10 fighters.

About the same for Oscar.

[joseph5620]

I will debunk that when I have more time to show you some examples of beautiful punches outside of Oscar's left hook.





lol @ RuPaul. Like I said, looking at Hagler fight, a lot of the times he looked like a poor man's Chavez. This isn't ProMex/Anti Black bullshit, Chavez was just the first guy to pop up in my head.





I'm a big Whitaker fan and I was following his career, he was still doing his thing, just not like "OmG" until a fight(Oscar) came to motivate him.


Like I asked Iron...

Then Bradley shouldn't get credit for beating Marquez? Marquez has been on the decline.
If someone beats Sergio Martinez who's been on the decline, they shouldn't get credit?
What if Bradley beats Pac? Pac is on the decline, specially after being knocked out.

Martinez, Pacquiao as well as Marquez are in the P4P list.

I'm not even talking about Bradley. But with that said, of course he doesn't get the same credit he would have gotten if he beat a better version of Marquez. That goes without saying.

[Holywarrior]

Look at the list. And Oscar was favored to win the fight too.

and Hagler was favored big time over Leonard

[IronDanHamza]

Like I asked Iron...

Then Bradley shouldn't get credit for beating Marquez? Marquez has been on the decline.
If someone beats Sergio Martinez who's been on the decline, they shouldn't get credit?
What if Bradley beats Pac? Pac is on the decline, specially after being knocked out.

Martinez, Pacquiao as well as Marquez are in the P4P list.

And like I asked you, why are you asking me these questions?

They have nothing to do with anything I've said.

[joseph5620]

and Hagler was favored big time over Leonard

Oscar was favored over the lesser fighter named Sugar by the name of Shane Mosley. Delahoya lost in his hometown and his prime.

[RubenSonny]

Oscar was favored over the lesser fighter named Sugar by the name of Shane Mosley. Delahoya lost in his hometown and his prime.

It was a cherry pick gone wrong, Shane was the unproven lightweight expected to lose to who was suppose to be the next great. Most of these guys weren't following boxing when these fights happened.

[Mr.Fantastic]

Well, you're wrong.

http://www.theboxinghistorian.com/ring-magazine-awards/pound-for-pound-history

http://boxrec.com/media/index.php/Th...r_Pound--1990s


1996
Roy Jones Jr.
Oscar De La Hoya
Pernell Whitaker
Felix Trinidad
Ricardo Lopez
Junior Jones
Kostya Tszyu
Terry Norris
Evander Holyfield
Mark Johnson

1997
Oscar De La Hoya
Roy Jones Jr.
Felix Trinidad
Pernell Whitaker
Evander Holyfield
Terry Norris
Junior Jones
Ricardo Lopez
Ike Quartey
Mark Johnson

Those are end of the year rankings and not at the time of the fight.

The best guy at 130 when Oscar won his title there was Nelson or Genaro. He beat Genaro later on, but at 135. Still a solid win though.

The best guy at 135 when Oscar was there was Gonzalez, which he got later on at 140. Decent win. The other top guy there was Ruelas, which he beat. Good win.

The best guy at 140 was Tszyu until he lost to Phillips. Oscar beat neither. Though Chavez was still at least a decent win at the time.

The best guys at 147 were Whitaker and Trinidad. Trinidad was close, but he lost. And Whitaker he won, but he arguably lost as well.

The best guys at 154 were Vargas, Mosley, and Wright. He and Wright never fought, but he did beat Vargas, and deserved the 2nd Mosley fight.

The best at 160 was Hopkins and he lost.

So out of those 6 divisions he only beat the top guy or one of them in 3 of them, and he arguably lost to Whitaker. So half of his weight classes he didn't beat the top guy or one of the top ones.

Hagler beat the Top guy at 160 or one of them several different times.

He was suppose to fight Tszyu if he would of won. Oh well!

@ lost to Whitaker. I don't have to be a DLH fan to even see Whitaker lost that one. It was a good fight, one of Whitaker's underrated fights IMO.

Hagler would never wear women's stockings or panties to wear makeup.

Hagler never ran 4 straight rounds from any fighter.

Hagler never twisted his wraps between his knuckles to cut his opponents. Simone hece

DLH may of ran the last couple of rounds vs Trinidad but it doesn't take away the boxing lesson he gave him. But Trinidad got the win. You win some, you lose some.

Let's not even get on the wrap scandal please cause that's another thread. One that many people(since you love public opinion debates) think Trinidad himself is a cheater.