What makes Hagler greater than De La Hoya??

[joseph5620]

I see a lot of people talking ATG this and ATG that but yet turn around and criticize someone like Oscar for not being great.

Ok, what makes him so much greater than Oscar? Judging from watching a lot of their fights, Oscar had better technique along with having a lot of better opponents(my 2c). So why can't Oscar be in the same boat of ATGs?

Hagler had KO power with either hand and developed legitimate punches from both sides. Oscar did not have much of a right hand at all and really didn't use much of it until Floyd Mayweather Sr started training him. That ends the technique debate.

[ramses07]

there are two things about oscar

1. boxing purists don't like him
2. he got screwed over in a lot of big fights

these two are the reasons why he's massively underrated.

and yeah the guy had a gold medal, he had a more refined boxing style than hagler.

[BoxingGenius27]

I wouldn't say blatant robbery. I don't think it was the level of Pac-Bradley or something like Lara-Williams. But granted Oscar probably deserved one of the Mosley fights, you could then take off Whitaker and Sturm from his record as well.

Nah bruh, it was right around if not worse than Pac-Bradley....

I remember I bet this guy on Mosley. I already gave him the $40 'til they announced the winner, then he gave me $80 back. Best day of my life.

[IronDanHamza]

I've seen almost every fight there is to see. I wouldn't be commenting otherwise.

So why are you asking me if Whitaker was in decline and claiming he didn't look like he was in decline if you've seen those fights?

You've seen those fights right? So you know that he was losing to Hurtado on the cards until he pulled out the come from behind knock out and looked terrible? So you know that he looked terrible and struggled badly in both Riveria fights? So doesn't that answer the question you just asked?

Those were his 3 consecutive fights before Oscar and he looked terrible in all 3 and both of those fighters were fringe contenders at best, if that.

So Vargas who won a paper belt and was looking like crap is better than a top 30 or so ATG rated P4P and top of his weight class at the time, just because he looked like 'crap' too? Right

Yeah.

Vargas looked better than Whitaker did at the time that's for sure plus he was bigger, stronger, younger etc.

Albeit both looked poor at the time of those fights.

[joseph5620]

How is beating Vargas better than beating Chavez or Whitaker? Whitaker was #2 P4P and the champ

Whitaker was number three according to Ring magazine behind Oscar at number 2. Oscar was also favored to win the fight.

[Holywarrior]

I don't think you know your middleweights of the era~ and that was a quality middleweight era which Hagler kept under his thumb.

It was decent, but when you start listing Watts and Hamsho I know you're reaching for stars. That'd be like me reaching for Castijello and Rivera for De La Hoya's resume

but at least he moved up to fight those guys.

[buckfangs]

Nah bruh, it was right around if not worse than Pac-Bradley....

I remember I bet this guy on Mosley. I already gave him the $40 'til they announced the winner, then he gave me $80 back. Best day of my life.

lol best day of your life was making $40

[Mr.Fantastic]

No not really.

Whitaker was well into a visible decline then.

Vargas might have been coming off a brutal knockout to Trinidad and seemingly didn't have the same punch resistance but it was still a more credible and better fight than the Whitaker fight when it happened.

Sure it looks better on paper but it wasn't the case when the actual fights happened.

Then Bradley shouldn't get credit for beating Marquez? Marquez has been on the decline.
If someone beats Sergio Martinez who's been on the decline, they shouldn't get credit?
What if Bradley beats Pac? Pac is on the decline, specially after being knocked out.

Martinez, Pacquiao as well as Marquez are in the P4P list.

Why can someone beat them and get credit but not Oscar for beating Whitaker? That's just dumb!

No I'm not.

Where am I not giving him credit for those wins? I've not discredited those wins.

Obviously they aren't as good as the Hearns win though nor close. Which is what I was actually dis*****g.

By that Logic, Marquez is greater than Hopkins. Since Marquez's KO of Pacquiao is better than anything Hopkins has done. Right?

Whitaker the top guy in the division and P4P #1/2 isn't a credible fight

Did Whitaker look declined? He didn't fight like it.

lol yea it baffles me, beating the P4P guy in less than 25/26 fights isn't credible. It pisses me off Oscar doesn't get the credit he fucking deserves.

Who you would rip if that fight took place tomorrow and Ray Leonard fought the exact same fight~ plus Leonard himself did say he saw slippage last I checked you cared about stuff like that~

Hagler easy. If Oscar was in those same shoes as Hagler, I'd rip on him too.

Based off names, what is that? What does "Names" have to do with anything? And even then they're barely better "based off name", if at all.

De La Hoya doesn't have plenty, he's got his share but not plenty no. Not close to what Hagler has.

It's funny because obviously the Chavez and Whitaker wins are no where near as good as the Hearns win.

Oscar has neither the quality nor quantity.

I said names without putting the situation at hand. Like Prime, Weight, etc.


And again, beating the P4P #1/2 guy isn't quality? Jesus this place.


You boxing fans should REALLLLYYYYY put a certain table of standards for greatness.

[bluebeam]

LOL One eyed Ray Leonard literally came out of a 3 year retirement and beat big bad Hagler. Haglers very overrated.

being champ for almost a decade while defeating hall of fame fighters make's you overrated? hagler would walk through every middleweight in the world today, just like he did 30 years ago

[4Corners]

Nah bruh, it was right around if not worse than Pac-Bradley....

I remember I bet this guy on Mosley. I already gave him the $40 'til they announced the winner, then he gave me $80 back. Best day of my life.

I remember thinking Oscar had the 2nd fight, but I remember giving Mosley at least a few rounds. I couldn't find a round or two for Bradley or Williams.

But I do think Oscar deserved that fight, but even taking that into account, you can deduct Whitaker and the Sturm 160 win then.