What makes Hagler greater than De La Hoya??

[4Corners]

How is it much better?


What are Hagler's biggest fights?

Hagler beat Minter (#3 160), Obelmejias (Top 5 160), Antuofermo (Top 3 160, also deserved the W when he was the 160 #1 in 1980), Hamsho (Top 10 160), Sibson (#2 160), Scypion (Top 10 160), Duran (thoughe was moving up), Roldan (Top 5 160), Hearns (#1 160), and Mugabi (#1 160). He also had the razor sharp close fight with Leonard.

Hagler dominated Middleweight for like 8 years or so, and packed in several wins over either the top guy, Top 5 Guys, or Top 10 guys. He won his big fight with Hearns and went to Wembley to beat Minter.

Oscar beat Bredhal (Top 10 130), Molina (Top 10 135), Ruelas (#2 135), Genaro, Chavez (#3 140), Gonzalez (Top 5 140), Whitaker (#1 147, though many thought he didn't win), Charpentier (Top 10 147), Quartey (#3 147), Carr (Top 10 147), Gatti, Vargas (#2 154), and Sturm (once again he really should have lost).

Granted Oscar had close calls with Trinidad and Mosley, but they weren't robberies or anything, so he doesn't really get credit for them as wins.

I think Hagler and Oscar both have many solid good wins, but it's Haglers dominance of Middleweight and his massive win over Hearns that cement his ATG status. Oscar on the other hand never really dominated any weight class at all like Halger did 160, and lost most all of his biggest fights.

[The Gambler1981]

Monroe? Watts? Roidan, Minter Those guys are literally around James Leija level.

I don't think you know your middleweights of the era~ and that was a quality middleweight era which Hagler kept under his thumb.

[joseph5620]

I see a lot of people talking ATG this and ATG that but yet turn around and criticize someone like Oscar for not being great.

Ok, what makes him so much greater than Oscar? Judging from watching a lot of their fights, Oscar had better technique along with having a lot of better opponents(my 2c). So why can't Oscar be in the same boat of ATGs?

I hope you're joking. For your sake.

[4Corners]

Monroe? Watts? Roidan, Minter Those guys are literally around James Leija level.

I don't think you have actually watched or know the Middleweights of that era.

[Holywarrior]

Where did I say it wasn't a credible fight? You're the second person to say this, have I typed it somewhere? Because I don't recall saying that, please, show me.

Did Whitaker look declined? Is that a serious question?

Go and watch his last 3 fights before the Oscar fight - Hurtado, Riveria 1 and 2. And then ask yourself if Whitaker looks like he was in decline or not.

I've seen almost every fight there is to see. I wouldn't be commenting otherwise.

So Vargas who won a paper belt and was looking like crap is better than a top 30 or so ATG rated P4P and top of his weight class at the time, just because he looked like 'crap' too? Right

[IronDanHamza]

Not really, he'd been ruined by Tito, his chin was definitely cracked and he looked like garbage against Rivera and went on to do nothing after. I can't overly rate that win, nor the win against a past it inactive Quartey.

Definitely damaged I won't disagree there but I still think it's probably his best win.

[BoxingGenius27]

Hagler beat Minter (#3 160), Obelmejias (Top 5 160), Antuofermo (Top 3 160, also deserved the W when he was the 160 #1 in 1980), Hamsho (Top 10 160), Sibson (#2 160), Scypion (Top 10 160), Duran (thoughe was moving up), Roldan (Top 5 160), Hearns (#1 160), and Mugabi (#1 160). He also had the razor sharp close fight with Leonard.

Hagler dominated Middleweight for like 8 years or so, and packed in several wins over either the top guy, Top 5 Guys, or Top 10 guys. He won his big fight with Hearns and went to Wembley to beat Minter.

Oscar beat Bredhal (Top 10 130), Molina (Top 10 135), Ruelas (#2 135), Genaro, Chavez (#3 140), Gonzalez (Top 5 140), Whitaker (#1 147, though many thought he didn't win), Charpentier (Top 10 147), Quartey (#3 147), Carr (Top 10 147), Gatti, Vargas (#2 154), and Sturm (once again he really should have lost).

Granted Oscar had close calls with Trinidad and Mosley, but they weren't robberies or anything, so he doesn't really get credit for them as wins.

I think Hagler and Oscar both have many solid good wins, but it's Haglers dominance of Middleweight and his massive win over Hearns that cement his ATG status. Oscar on the other hand never really dominated any weight class at all like Halger did 160, and lost most all of his biggest fights.

DLH-Mosley II was a blatant robbery. Probably one of the worst robbery's I've seen in my life.

[4Corners]

DLH-Mosley II was a blatant robbery. Probably one of the worst robbery's I've seen in my life.

I wouldn't say blatant robbery, though I remember thinking Oscar had that fight for sure. I don't think it was the level of Pac-Bradley or something like Lara-Williams where I struggled to give the winner more then a round or two. But granted Oscar probably deserved one of the Mosley fights, you could then take off Whitaker and Sturm from his record as well.

[umop-ap!sdn]

I see a lot of people talking ATG this and ATG that but yet turn around and criticize someone like Oscar for not being great.

Ok, what makes him so much greater than Oscar? Judging from watching a lot of their fights, Oscar had better technique along with having a lot of better opponents(my 2c). So why can't Oscar be in the same boat of ATGs?

Oscar got a FEW gift decesions in his career while it can be said that Hagler got robbed against one of the greatest to ever lace em up. No time to elaborate, leaving comp. Will re-visit thread later and expand on this comment.

[Holywarrior]

I don't think you have actually watched or know the Middleweights of that era.

Of course I have. The guys are lifted are probably at best C+ level. Monroe? C;mon now kids