What makes Hagler greater than De La Hoya??

[Holywarrior]

That's a funny joke. I'm going to guess or hope that's a joke.

Hagler has plenty of solid and quality wins, not 1 or 2 at all. He has 9 or 10 against Top 5 ranked guys and more against other Top 10 contenders.

De La Hoya's best win is Fernando Vargas, followed by Quartey then I'm not even really sure who's third.

Oscar's quality's not better nor is his quality.

How is beating Vargas better than beating Chavez or Whitaker? Whitaker was #2 P4P and the champ

[Mr.Fantastic]

How does oscar have better technique? he fights like a glorified amateur.

Hagler follows through on his punches, keeps the shoulders relaxed and knowns when to shorten his shots up. Excellent timing, iron chin, 15 round stamina and a great ring general.

Duran was dangerous in any weight class and one of the best boxers ever. Duran that smashed Moore or Cuevas would have walked Canelo in a bad way.

Hagler basically ruined Hearns. Hearns dwarfed him so don't talk about size, dude broke his hand on Haglers head and opened a massive cut.

Not to mention Hagler fought tough guys from the past era too, like Benny Briscoe.

DLH lost all of his big fights, his best win is vargas and maybe you could argue he squeaked Tito but the resume says otherwise.

If he fought like a glorified amateur then so did Salvador Sanchez.

Oscar had excellent timing as well, especially with that left hook. He may of not had that 15 round stamina but he fought his ass off when it came down to it.

But what are the weights Duran gets praised at more? Just cause he's dangerous doesn't make him great at MW.

Did you also see all the low blows he landed on Hearns? Tall doesn't mean weight.

Lost all his big fights? Another one that just go with words. Let's forget Whitaker/Chavez/Hernandez/Quartey and others while we're at it.

[The Gambler1981]

LOL One eyed Ray Leonard literally came out of a 3 year retirement and beat big bad Hagler. Haglers very overrated.

There are many people who dispute that~, I personally also thought Leonard won but I have argued more about that fight than any other and have almost seen people fight over that fight like a decade later.

[IronDanHamza]

How is beating Vargas better than beating Chavez or Whitaker? Whitaker was #2 P4P and the champ

Vargas was prime or close to it.

Chavez was visibly well into decline as was Whitaker.

[Holywarrior]

There are many people who dispute that~

If Hagler was so great that wouldn't have happened.

That's probably because they only read a magazine and don't sit and watch the fight. Fact of the matter is a large portion of Hagler's competition at the only weight he fought in, wasn't greater than the handful of divisions Delahoya challenged and won in.

[IronDanHamza]

I never said Hagler wasn't one of the best middleweights. Oscar also came up big in some of his big fights. People only seem to count his loss amount it seems.
What big fights you talking about Hagler? Oscar lost to ONLY HOF/ATG quality type of guys, something Hagler doesn't have.


Oscar didn't have that many favorable things for him so that's a big lie right there.

How is that something Hagler doesn't have?

He has 3 wins over HOF'ers and 1 loss.

[Mr.Fantastic]

That's a funny joke. I'm going to guess or hope that's a joke.

Hagler has plenty of solid and quality wins, not 1 or 2 at all. He has 9 or 10 against Top 5 ranked guys and more against other Top 10 contenders.

De La Hoya's best win is Fernando Vargas, followed by Quartey then I'm not even really sure who's third.

Oscar's quality's not better nor is his quality.

How is it a joke? I said off names.

DLH didn't have plenty of solid and quality wins? DLH has his fair share as well with wins over top 5/10 guys. You must of forgot that DLH fought Whitaker(the P4P #1/2 at the time) when he had 25/26 fights. How is that a funny joke?

Again, you being a very understandable dude and great poster, you seem vague in your responses. Usually you're on point but not on this topic.

[Holywarrior]

Vargas was prime or close to it.

Chavez was visibly well into decline as was Whitaker.

A past prime Whitaker is better than a close to prime Vargas.

[Mr.Fantastic]

Vargas was prime or close to it.

Chavez was visibly well into decline as was Whitaker.

They were STILL ranked in their division at the time Oscar fought them. Something you're giving Hagler the credit for. You're applying double standards.

[Mr.Fantastic]

There are many people who dispute that~, I personally also thought Leonard won but I have argued more about that fight than any other and have almost seen people fight over that fight like a decade later.

A fight disputed against a guy who hasn't fought in years and at MW. Damn Leonard was truly a bad ass.