What makes Hagler greater than De La Hoya??

[IronDanHamza]

A past prime Whitaker is better than a close to prime Vargas.

No not really.

Whitaker was well into a visible decline then.

Vargas might have been coming off a brutal knockout to Trinidad and seemingly didn't have the same punch resistance but it was still a more credible and better fight than the Whitaker fight when it happened.

Sure it looks better on paper but it wasn't the case when the actual fights happened.

[IronDanHamza]

They were STILL ranked in their division at the time Oscar fought them. Something you're giving Hagler the credit for. You're applying double standards.

No I'm not.

Where am I not giving him credit for those wins? I've not discredited those wins.

Obviously they aren't as good as the Hearns win though nor close. Which is what I was actually dis*****g.

[The Gambler1981]

If Hagler was so great that wouldn't have happened.

That's probably because they only read a magazine and don't sit and watch the fight. Fact of the matter is a large portion of Hagler's competition at the only weight he fought in, wasn't greater than the handful of divisions Delahoya challenged and won in.

Minter, Mugabi, Hearns, Hamsho X2, Roldan, Antuofuermo, Monroe, Watts I will take that all day over Oscars best wins.

Ray Leonard is also better than any of the guys who beat Oscar~ by a margin

[RubenSonny]

Vargas was prime or close to it.

Chavez was visibly well into decline as was Whitaker.

Not really, he'd been ruined by Tito, his chin was definitely cracked and he looked like garbage against Rivera and went on to do nothing after. I can't overly rate that win, nor the win against a past it inactive Quartey.

[Holywarrior]

No not really.

Whitaker was well into a visible decline then.

Vargas might have been coming off a brutal knockout to Trinidad and seemingly didn't have the same punch resistance but it was still a more credible and better fight than the Whitaker fight when it happened.

Sure it looks better on paper but it wasn't the case when the actual fights happened.

Whitaker the top guy in the division and P4P #1/2 isn't a credible fight

Did Whitaker look declined? He didn't fight like it.

[The Gambler1981]

A fight disputed against a guy who hasn't fought in years and at MW. Damn Leonard was truly a bad ass.

Who you would rip if that fight took place tomorrow and Ray Leonard fought the exact same fight~ plus Leonard himself did say he saw slippage last I checked you cared about stuff like that~

[IronDanHamza]

How is it a joke? I said off names.

DLH didn't have plenty of solid and quality wins? DLH has his fair share as well with wins over top 5/10 guys. You must of forgot that DLH fought Whitaker(the P4P #1/2 at the time) when he had 25/26 fights. How is that a funny joke?

Again, you being a very understandable dude and great poster, you seem vague in your responses. Usually you're on point but not on this topic.

Based off names, what is that? What does "Names" have to do with anything? And even then they're barely better "based off name", if at all.

De La Hoya doesn't have plenty, he's got his share but not plenty no. Not close to what Hagler has.

It's funny because obviously the Chavez and Whitaker wins are no where near as good as the Hearns win.

Oscar has neither the quality nor quantity.

[Mr.Fantastic]

How is that something Hagler doesn't have?

He has 3 wins over HOF'ers and 1 loss.

Went to boxrec....Hagler has lost vs Willie Monroe and Bobby Watts.....please tell me how they compare to the Hopkins, the Pacquiaos, the Mayweathers, hell even the Trinidads/Mosleys?

Were they robberies? Who knows, didn't see those.


Oscar has wins over HOF'ers as well.

[Holywarrior]

Minter, Mugabi, Hearns, Hamsho X2, Roldan, Antuofuermo, Monroe, Watts I will take that all day over Oscars best wins.

Ray Leonard is also better than any of the guys who beat Oscar~ by a margin

Monroe? Watts? Roidan, Minter Those guys are literally around James Leija level.

[IronDanHamza]

Whitaker the top guy in the division and P4P #1/2 isn't a credible fight

Did Whitaker look declined? He didn't fight like it.

Where did I say it wasn't a credible fight? You're the second person to say this, have I typed it somewhere? Because I don't recall saying that, please, show me.

Did Whitaker look declined? Is that a serious question?

Go and watch his last 3 fights before the Oscar fight - Hurtado, Riveria 1 and 2. And then ask yourself if Whitaker looks like he was in decline or not.