What makes Hagler greater than De La Hoya??

[Holywarrior]

I bet on Tito.

Had my money going the other way...

Until the cards were called.

Can we agree that DLH resume had a pretty remarkable list of fighters on it?

i'd hope so

Win them all?

No.

Nobody does.

The funny shit aside, DLH fought just about anybody you can name.

Big brass ones.

Yeah Oscar was one of the guys that got me into the current boxing picture in the 90s, before that all I had were my gramps' old boxing tapes to watch, which was awesome, but still.

[IronDanHamza]

[QUOTE=Fantastic One;14297548]Yes I saw those and a lot from Whitaker before. He went in there to do what he had to do. Looking terrible is completely over exaggerated, more like not looking his best with the rank he had at the time.

Yes he was and no he was not well passed it. Which brings me up again the same question/logic from before about the current greats/good boxers on the P4P great like Pac/Marquez/Martinez being beaten. So no credit should be given to the people that beat them? You're applying the same logic with DLH vs Whitaker. Hell Whitaker at that time compared to these guys looked better. [\QUOTE]

Seriously, are you seriously going to ask me this same question again.

How many times? Where have I said that Oscar doesn't get credit for Whitaker? I've not once said that and even said the opposite multiple times yet you still keep asking me the same question in every post.

How can you say he wasn't passed it? And how can you say he didn't look terrible?

Hurtado and Riveria are fringe contenders and that's being generous. And he looked awful in all 3 especially Hurtado and the first Riviera fight. Literally awful. How can you even deny that?

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This thread isn't a serious one is it? Can't be.


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[dynomyte1444]

How does oscar have better technique? he fights like a glorified amateur.

Hagler follows through on his punches, keeps the shoulders relaxed and knowns when to shorten his shots up. Excellent timing, iron chin, 15 round stamina and a great ring general.

Duran was dangerous in any weight class and one of the best boxers ever. Duran that smashed Moore or Cuevas would have walked Canelo in a bad way.

Hagler basically ruined Hearns. Hearns dwarfed him so don't talk about size, dude broke his hand on Haglers head and opened a massive cut.

Not to mention Hagler fought tough guys from the past era too, like Benny Briscoe.

DLH lost all of his big fights, his best win is vargas and maybe you could argue he squeaked Tito but the resume says otherwise.

Just curious but would you say the same thing about marquez as you are duran? Because its pretty much the same thing but floyd gets hated on for the win of marquez but hagler gets love for duran. juan is one of the best fighters of all time but when he goes up in weight and called floyd out people only remember that floyd didnt make weight by a couple pounds.

Just an observation of nostalgia

[Light_Speed]

Because he won almost all his big fights, Oscar lost almost all of them.

[Holywarrior]

Because he won almost all his big fights, Oscar lost almost all of them.

Hagler had 2 lol

[Holywarrior]

answer the question for me. what makes hagler overrated?

and would Oscar run over all the lightweights from back then?

Hagler wouldn't even run through all of the middleweights from the 90s let alone back then.

Hagler is overrated because he gets rated alongside real real top flight ATGs like Ike Williams, Holman Williams, Ezzard Charles, etc.

I bet the guys listing Hagler that high haven't even heard of those 3 fighters but because he is a part of the Fab 4 or whatever he gets an automatic ATG pass

[macman]

Middleweight was a very deep division with a lot of good fighters that would have likely made champion if Hagler wasn't around, & this went on for a very long time -
Hagler ruled the division for 6 years & was the uncrowned champion for probably 3 before that.

Check out fights with top contenders like Eugene Hart, Kevin Finnegan, Willie Monroe, Bobby Watts, Fulgencio Obelmejias, Mustafa Hamsho, & Tony Sibson.
The utter destruction of Alan Minter, Caveman Lee & others.

Then realize how long Hagler was doing this for.
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Hagler is one of the most complete fighters to ever step in the ring.

[Mr.Fantastic]

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Seriously, are you seriously going to ask me this same question again.

How many times? Where have I said that Oscar doesn't get credit for Whitaker? I've not once said that and even said the opposite multiple times yet you still keep asking me the same question in every post.

How can you say he wasn't passed it? And how can you say he didn't look terrible?

Hurtado and Riveria are fringe contenders and that's being generous. And he looked awful in all 3 especially Hurtado and the first Riviera fight. Literally awful. How can you even deny that?

Because you are not understanding me nor am I understanding you. Dude, you usually make me understand where you coming from but in this topic you have failed to do so.

I keep asking because you don't see the logic behind the question. You keep downgrading that fight but yet don't want to see the faults with Hagler's wins.

Whitaker won regardless! You're not going to look pretty in every fight. Hell he was being the aggressor with Hurtado and knocked him the fuck out. That knock out is pretty much in every Whitaker highlight vid. Oh and while we're talking about that contender bullshit, that same Hurtado went on to give Tszyu a good fight(knocked him down twice).
Now let's talk Rivera, dude went on to fight other really good/great boxers and isn't the type to look good against. Guys like you don't give him the credit he deserves.

[Cardinal Buck]

Don't see how you can say Oscar has better technique.

And Hagler's resume obviously much better.

Disagree on resumes. Oscar's resume is noticeably better.