Vitali's mythical poor resume pt 2

[Boxing Goat]

Does Vitali have a top 50 heavyweight of all time on his resume?

Just one?

No?

How can he be an ATG himself then?

He only had an opportunity to fight one of them, which was a top ten all time and was beating him through 6 rounds and only lost on a cut.

If you take that into account, the fact that he's 15-2 (6th all time) in title fights, never been stopped, 2nd highest KO ratio all time and has never been knocked down as a pro, those things indicate his all time status.

He may not have an ATG resume, but he is an ATG heavyweight fighter.

Even a moron knows this.

[LacedUp]

Hi, how are you doing today?

Good, that's great.

Now, with that out of the way: You do know Ring updates their rankings monthly, correct?

That being said, the links you provided are from individual monthly issues of several different years. That does NOT mean:

A) Those fighters were never top ten ranked in Ring magazine. Or...

B) Those fighters were not ranked in the Ring top ten when Vitali faced them since those rankings are not from the month before he beat them up.

I understand the need to try and discredit Vitali to prove your point, but I've been a fan since before he was a titlist and know everything there is to know about him including his ranking and rankings of his opposition.

I will concede that I did forget about Briggs and that Hide may have not been ranked top ten even though that's BS because he had a world title and defended it a few times.

But...I stand by the rest. Therefore..............

Peace out, I won't attempt to beat the dead horse any longer.

Dude are you serious? NONE of those fighters were ranked in the top 10 when Vitali fought them. Chisora has never even been included in the top 10! though he should have for the recent update.

Solis had fought no one when he fought Vitali, and people justified his shot because of amateur record.

Anyways, you are reaching here because you just decided to shell out a load of crap you couldn't back up.

But by all means, find the monthly rankings that prove Solis, Chisora, Hide and Williams in the top 10 the month they fought Vitali.

I'll wait.

[JAB5239]

3 criterias : record, h2h and notoriety.

We must all recognize that you can't compare fighters such as Foreman,Ali and Frazier with the Klitschkos and David Haye due to huge athletic diferrences. I wouldn't be surprised if I was told Haye hits harder than Foreman used to. Briggs said with his own mouth that Vitali was the hardest hitting fighter he has ever faced ( Briggs fought with Foreman). Vitali is 42 and would still give a beating to Povetkin for instance ( who I think is perfectly matching his style). Ali was finished at the age of 35...

Ali has a better record and has more notoriety. But to be honest, what would happen if he faced a giant that is extremely awkward, has decent hand speed, good reflexes, heavy hands and an excellent timing?

My conclusion is that you can't really establish a ranking. We should just make an ATG list and that would be just fine.

Record - so having a nice record is better than having a record with substance in your opinion?

H2h - So you think fantasizing about who would win a fight is important in determining greatness?

Notoriety - In other words the hype of the moment. If not we should declare Ike Ibeabuchi an ATG. He's undefeated, beat a guy Vits quit against and has a ton of notoriety. Should be a lock using your logic, right?

[JAB5239]

He only had an opportunity to fight one of them, which was a top ten all time and was beating him through 6 rounds and only lost on a cut.

If you take that into account, the fact that he's 14-2 (6th all time) in title fights, never been stopped, 2nd highest KO ratio all time and has never been knocked down as a pro, those things indicate his all time status.

He may not have an ATG resume, but he is an ATG heavyweight fighter.

Even a moron knows this.

Wrong again, he had the opportunity to fight 3 of them but didn't pursue it. And the one he did fight came in at a career high in weight, looked unmotivated and still proved he was the better fighter by stopping him in 6.

[Boxing Goat]

if ali fought vitaliu's resume no one would think he was an atg. if vitali fought ali's resume,he'd have been kTFO enough that this ridiculous ****ing thread wouldn't have been created.

You honestly think Frazier would have knocked Vitali out?

He's never even been down.

If so, you're an idiot. Plain and simple.

[BattlingNelson]

Wrong again, he had the opportunity to fight 3 of them but didn't pursue it. And the one he did fight came in at a career high in weight, looked unmotivated and still proved he was the better fighter by stopping him in 6.

What's the names of those 3 top 10 all time fighters that Vitali could have fought?

[JAB5239]

What's the names of those 3 top 10 all time fighters that Vitali could have fought?

He fought and lost to one of them in Lewis. Holyfield and Tyson were the other 2, both were top 10 ranked the same time as Vits.

[BattlingNelson]

He fought and lost to one of them in Lewis. Holyfield and Tyson were the other 2, both were top 10 ranked the same time as Vits.

Tyson? When was that fight a possibility?

Holyfield? Are we talking about 45+ year old Holyfield here?

And neither are hardly top 10 all time.

[JAB5239]

Tyson? When was that fight a possibility?

Holyfield? Are we talking about 45+ year old Holyfield here?

And neither are hardly top 10 all time.

1999

http://boxrec.com/media/index.php/Th..._Ratings:_1999

2003

http://boxrec.com/media/index.php/Th..._Ratings:_2003

In between these times I believe Vits was just outside the top 10 and could have sought fights with any of them. Point is, he didn't.

[BattlingNelson]

1999

http://boxrec.com/media/index.php/Th..._Ratings:_1999

2003

http://boxrec.com/media/index.php/Th..._Ratings:_2003

In between these times I believe Vits was just outside the top 10 and could have sought fights with any of them. Point is, he didn't.

I thought he, like anybody else, pursued a fight with Tyson then. I suppose you have a source saying that he didn't?


Edit: As I recall, Tyson chose a Nielsen fight over Vitali back in 2001, but I'm going on memory.