Vitali's mythical poor resume pt 2

[bklynboy]

Okay, that's probably unfair.

But certainly to be considered great you must beat a few of the top guys around in your era? Who exactly are these top fighters? Corrie Sanders? Chris Arreola?

Don't forget, the one time Vitali did face the best in his era, the time he challenged for the true lineal heavyweight championship of the world, this granite chinned, unstoppable ATG got his face smashed in. Dominating and KOing stiffs during his EBU and WBO reign is one thing. When he fought the champ, a true ATG he was found out and battered.

Wlad has beaten most of the tougher opposition in this division not a Vitali.

It's true that VK lost. And his face was battered. But I had him winning the fight at the point of stoppage. VK proved, in that fight, that he belonged in the same ring as LL.

I would love to have seen a rematch between a motivated LL and VK. It would have been a great fight. LL is an ATG. Even if VK lost a 12 round war to LL in the rematch it would have elevated him in my standings.

[Counter Troll]

3 criterias : record, h2h and notoriety.

We must all recognize that you can't compare fighters such as Foreman,Ali and Frazier with the Klitschkos and David Haye due to huge athletic diferrences. I wouldn't be surprised if I was told
Haye hits harder than Foreman used to. Briggs said with his own mouth that Vitali was the hardest hitting fighter he has ever faced ( Briggs fought with Foreman). Vitali is 42 and would still give a beating to Povetkin for instance ( who I think is perfectly matching his style). Ali was finished at the age of 35...

Ali has a better record and has more notoriety. But to be honest, what would happen if he faced a giant that is extremely awkward, has decent hand speed, good reflexes, heavy hands and an excellent timing?

My conclusion is that you can't really establish a ranking. We should just make an ATG list and that would be just fine.

Haye hits harder than Foreman

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[BattlingNelson]

I have a source saying he didn't fight him, Holyfield or 22 other fighter ranked in the top 10 at the same time as him. Will that do?

No it wont do. You said that Vitali didn't pursue a fight with with Tyson and Holyfield. You need to back up that claim or retract it.

[BennyST]

Vitali's resume is not weak by any stretch. He may not have fought other all time greats or HOF'rs aside from Lewis but it doesn't matter because they were washed up by the time he was reaching his pinacle. That's what these morons don't want to understand. A win over ancient Tyson and Holyfield would have been possible but what is the point?

Top ten Ring opponents:
In case anyone was wondering.

1)Hide
3)Kirk Johnson
5)Sanders
6)Williams
7)Peter
8)Gomez
9)Arreola
10)Solis
11)Adamek
12)Chisora

Well, résumé is about who you beat, and he didn't beat the two best fighters on that list, Byrd and Lewis so they're off.

It's a lot different when they're gone. Atrocious for someone people often call a top ten great. Either way, its absurdly weak for a guy that his fans like to call the greatest and most dominant heavyweight ever. I can guarantee with complete certainty that you will not find anyone else in boxing that is called the 'most dominant *insert division* ever' and an ATG with such a poor record. No other division, and no other group of people are so adamant.

If that was anyone else's record, you would be laughed out of town for suggesting that this is the record of the most dominant heavyweight in the history of boxing. However, it seems like a lot of deluded fans flock to the Vitali bandwagon.

He's a good fighter and champion, but his record/resume is really ****. Most experts rank him highly inspite of his record, not because of it.

[JAB5239]

No it wont do. You said that Vitali didn't pursue a fight with with Tyson and Holyfield. You need to back up that claim or retract it.

Fine, show me definitive proof he sought these fights and I'll retract it. Of course if this does somehow happen it won't make his resume any better or change the fact he never fought them nor 22 other top 10 rated opponents, will it?

[BattlingNelson]

Fine, show me definitive proof he sought these fights and I'll retract it. Of course if this does somehow happen it won't make his resume any better or change the fact he never fought them nor 22 other top 10 rated opponents, will it?

No. It was your postulate. You'll need to prove it. That's the way it works.
Otherwise I could make outragerous claim after outragerous claim and then asking people to prove me wrong. That's ridiculous. So either you back up your claim or retract it.


And no it won't change his resume, but it will stop you from spreading unfounded lies (if you cannot back up your claim obviously).

[LacedUp]

Do you see me trolling in any thread just to discredit any one fighter ever?

You can look up every post I've made on here......"I'll wait" lol (aka douche comment)

I hate Broner and Hopkins but I don't go looking for threads to try and criticize them and their fans.

That's the difference and the fact that you clowns have to do it should tell you something.

Yes I did. I saw you completely discredit Lamon Brewster in his victory over Wladimir, which I quoted.

And btw, instead of talking around the subject, are you going to provide evidence that Solis, Hide, Williams and Chisora were ranked top 10 when Vitali fought them? You accused me of lacking research, so I presume you must have done something on your own.

Oh, and by the way, Vitali's list of wins against top 10 opponents has just been cut to a mere 6 in a 47 fight career.

1) Arreola
2) Gomes
3) Adamek
4) K Johnson
5) Sanders
6) Peter

I guess that's the stuff legends are made of. To compare, Haye is scheduled to win his #5 top 10 opponent in just 28 fights.

Interesting.

[JAB5239]

No. It was your postulate. You'll need to prove it. That's the way it works.
Otherwise I could make outragerous claim after outragerous claim and then asking people to prove me wrong. That's ridiculous. So either you back up your claim or retract it.


And no it won't change his resume, but it will stop you from spreading unfounded lies (if you cannot back up your claim obviously).

Since I've found no definitive proof he tried to make these fights and since you're unable or unwilling to provide any than there is nothing to retract. If you don't believe me than search Mike Tyson vs Vitaly Klitschko, you will get a bunch of youtube video's of a video game fight between the two.

And Bat, if you're going to call anyone a liar its on you to prove it. If I wasn't mistaken (and I could be) I would have never offered a retraction in the first place. And my claim is and always has been he never fought these two guy nor 22 other top 10 rated fighters, helping make his resume as crappy as it is.

[BattlingNelson]

Since I've found no definitive proof he tried to make these fights and since you're unable or unwilling to provide any than there is nothing to retract. If you don't believe me than search Mike Tyson vs Vitaly Klitschko, you will get a bunch of youtube video's of a video game fight between the two.

And Bat, if you're going to call anyone a liar its on you to prove it. If I wasn't mistaken (and I could be) I would have never offered a retraction in the first place. And my claim is and always has been he never fought these two guy nor 22 other top 10 rated fighters, helping make his resume as crappy as it is.

I said your are spreading lies if you cannot back up your claims. Since you apparently cannot prove your claim, then it's up to others to draw their own conclusions.

[JAB5239]

I said your are spreading lies if you cannot back up your claims. Since you apparently cannot prove your claim, then it's up to others to draw their own conclusions.

So how am I spreading lies? I've looked and haven't found anything. Have you found anything saying he did? Show me and I'll retract my mistake. If not all we have to go on is the FACT he did not fight them or the 22 others named. Am I wrong?

Seems you want to discredit me since you don't like my stance on Vits. Tsk, tsk, tsk.....can't change the facts old friend.