Vitali's mythical poor resume pt 2

[Dr.Eisenfaust]

Because to this guy it goes:

ATGs
1. Wlad
2. Vitali
3. Pianeta
4. Mormeck
5. Wach
6. Tony Thompson

You get the point. He doesn't know what he's talking about.

You're pathetic...

[bklynboy]

frank bruno was outboxing lennox and lennox wasn't old at that point. frank bruno all time great.

No. Of course not. The point was that VK is not a bum (as some make him out to be). We, unfortunately, will never know how good he could have been.

[JAB5239]

No. Of course not. The point was that VK is not a bum (as some make him out to be). We, unfortunately, will never know how good he could have been.

Of course he's not a bum, and as I've said many times I believe he's be a contender or champion in ANY era. But this does not change the fact his resume is very weak preventing him from unbiasedly being considered amongst true all time greats. Had he made a greater attempt to make better fights like his brother did he most likely would have had a shot at greatness. As it is he's just another "could of been".

[JAB5239]

Problem is he was only the heavyweight champion for one defense against the ever great Danny Williams. Other than that he has only held a paper title and NEVER beaten the best fighter in the division.

Seems you don't mind when other posters are wiping their chins of Vits spunk, but you get offended when someone tell the truth. Wonder why?

What dozen or so Ring top 10 fighters are you speaking of? If you're not just lying you should relish this chance to put me in my place. How about the ring top 10 fighters he didn't fight?

Since 2000, and excluding the years he missed, these are all the top 10 fighters he didn't fight for one reason or another.

Tyson
Holyfield
Tua
Maskaev
Rahman
Ruiz
McCline
O'Quendo
Jones jr
Toney
Golota
Brewster
Barret
Chagaev
Povetkin
Valuev
Dimitrenko
Chambers
Haye
Boystov
Thompson
Helenius
Pulev
Fury

Pretty long list, huh?

Nuthuggers hate the facts and refuse to answer because they know what I say is true.

[bklynboy]

Of course he's not a bum, and as I've said many times I believe he's be a contender or champion in ANY era. But this does not change the fact his resume is very weak preventing him from unbiasedly being considered amongst true all time greats. Had he made a greater attempt to make better fights like his brother did he most likely would have had a shot at greatness. As it is he's just another "could of been".

I wasn't referring to you. :- )

But I understand that it can be frustrating at times dealing with people who think that the Ks are the "best ever" and I always try to separate the fighters from the fans. I think the tragedy of this era is that both Ks could have been excellent fighters had they come up at a different time.

I like both VK and WK as men and as champions but their resumes suck, especially VK. Sorry TS but it ain't no myth: VK's resume is weak. Maybe he could have done more to build his resume, maybe he was a victim of bad luck, it doesn't matter.

[JAB5239]

I wasn't referring to you. :- )

But I understand that it can be frustrating at times dealing with people who think that the Ks are the "best ever" and I always try to separate the fighters from the fans. I think the tragedy of this era is that both Ks could have been excellent fighters had they come up at a different time.

I like both VK and WK as men and as champions but their resumes suck, especially VK. Sorry TS but it ain't no myth: VK's resume is weak. Maybe he could have done more to build his resume, maybe he was a victim of bad luck, it doesn't matter.

I appreciate it not being directed at me.

As you said though, "it doesn't matter". This is what the nuthuggers don't get, you don't just replace greats who accomplished more and beaten more proven fighters during their era because you like a fighter and want to consider him great.

When it comes to fantasy h2h, this is what I think of Vits.

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=590528

[Boxing Goat]

I wasn't referring to you. :- )

But I understand that it can be frustrating at times dealing with people who think that the Ks are the "best ever" and I always try to separate the fighters from the fans. I think the tragedy of this era is that both Ks could have been excellent fighters had they come up at a different time.

I like both VK and WK as men and as champions but their resumes suck, especially VK. Sorry TS but it ain't no myth: VK's resume is weak. Maybe he could have done more to build his resume, maybe he was a victim of bad luck, it doesn't matter.

Vitali's resume is not weak by any stretch. He may not have fought other all time greats or HOF'rs aside from Lewis but it doesn't matter because they were washed up by the time he was reaching his pinacle. That's what these morons don't want to understand. A win over ancient Tyson and Holyfield would have been possible but what is the point?

Top ten Ring opponents:
In case anyone was wondering.

1)Hide
2)Byrd
3)Kirk Johnson
4)Lewis
5)Sanders
6)Williams
7)Peter
8)Gomez
9)Arreola
10)Solis
11)Adamek
12)Chisora

[LacedUp]

You're pathetic...

For a guy who thinks Wlad and Vitality are number 1 and 2 respectively as GOATs, I don't think you're in a position to say that.

[LacedUp]

Vitali's resume is not weak by any stretch. He may not have fought other all time greats or HOF'rs aside from Lewis but it doesn't matter because they were washed up by the time he was reaching his pinacle. That's what these morons don't want to understand. A win over ancient Tyson and Holyfield would have been possible but what is the point?

Top ten Ring opponents:
In case anyone was wondering.

1)Hide
2)Byrd
3)Kirk Johnson
4)Lewis
5)Sanders
6)Williams
7)Peter
8)Gomez
9)Arreola
10)Solis
11)Adamek
12)Chisora

Lol why do you feel you have to make up stories to improve Vitalis resume? Not all of those fighters were top 10 then or since.

[Daddy T]

I think the nuthuggers get confused between fantasy and reality. I think most people would give Vitali a good chance against many ATGS in a head to head fantasy fight. BUT thinking he MIGHT do well if he fought so and so or COULD win against so and so is just that ... THINKING HE COULD/WOULD. He hasn't actually done it.

It's like saying I think Floyd would beat manny ... this doesn't increase floyd's atg status or resume. Only actually getting in there and actually beating manny in the ring would. Do I think vitali would beat virtually all the top fighters of the last ten or fifteen years ... yup ... did he actually do it ... NOPE.