Vitali's mythical poor resume pt 2

[JAB5239]

Okay, that's probably unfair.

But certainly to be considered great you must beat a few of the top guys around in your era? Who exactly are these top fighters? Corrie Sanders? Chris Arreola?

Don't forget, the one time Vitali did face the best in his era, the time he challenged for the true lineal heavyweight championship of the world, this granite chinned, unstoppable ATG got his face smashed in. Dominating and KOing stiffs during his EBU and WBO reign is one thing. When he fought the champ, a true ATG he was found out and battered.

Wlad has beaten most of the tougher opposition in this division not a Vitali.

Exactly. But Vits apologists will say Vits had no need to fight them since little bro already beat them....another load of crap.

[Boxing Goat]

Okay, that's probably unfair.

But certainly to be considered great you must beat a few of the top guys around in your era? Who exactly are these top fighters? Corrie Sanders? Chris Arreola?

Don't forget, the one time Vitali did face the best in his era, the time he challenged for the true lineal heavyweight championship of the world, this granite chinned, unstoppable ATG got his face smashed in. Dominating and KOing stiffs during his EBU and WBO reign is one thing. When he fought the champ, a true ATG he was found out and battered.

Wlad has beaten most of the tougher opposition in this division not a Vitali.

Lol at this crap post.

Found out and battered? More like the other way around.

It was Vitali who was winning more rounds and hurt Lennox on a few occasions. Lennox never staggered Vitali, even when he landed two monsterous uppercuts that had knocked out previous challengers.

EBU and WBO my a55. WBC baby. The one Foreman, Ali, Frazier, Holmes, Tyson, Holyfield, Bowe and Lewis held. The real title.

Vitali has held this title for 5+ years now at an advanced age. It would be 10 years plus had he not retired.

[Boxing Goat]

So it's OK for you to blindly fall down on your knees and pray to these guys like they were Gods, but no OK for others to debate the same issue? Can't you see it's two sides of the same coin.

And by the way, says the guy who gives credit where it's due:



It seems to me that you are OK with discrediting fighters, as long as they are not Klitschko's.

Do you see me trolling in any thread just to discredit any one fighter ever?

You can look up every post I've made on here......"I'll wait" lol (aka douche comment)

I hate Broner and Hopkins but I don't go looking for threads to try and criticize them and their fans.

That's the difference and the fact that you clowns have to do it should tell you something.

[JAB5239]

Lol at this crap post.

Found out and battered? More like the other way around.

It was Vitali who was winning more rounds and hurt Lennox on a few occasions. Lennox never staggered Vitali, even when he landed two monsterous uppercuts that had knocked out previous challengers.

EBU and WBO my a55. WBC baby. The one Foreman, Ali, Frazier, Holmes, Tyson, Holyfield, Bowe and Lewis held. The real title.

Vitali has held this title for 5+ years now at an advanced age. It would be 10 years plus had he not retired.

But its not 10 years and he's still chosen to fight the softer comp than his brother.

[JAB5239]

Do you see me trolling in any thread just to discredit any one fighter ever?

You can look up every post I've made on here......"I'll wait" lol (aka douche comment)

I hate Broner and Hopkins but I don't go looking for threads to try and criticize them and their fans.

That's the difference and the fact that you clowns have to do it should tell you something.

No the difference is most of us give Vits credit, we just don't bow down and worship him while automatically bestowing undeserved greatness on him.

[bojangles1987]

As someone who was always a bigger fan of Vitali than his brother, it infuriates me how people try to lump their achievements together, like one brother beating a fighter means the other one gets credit too.

Wlad is the one whose held the belts and cleaned out the division. Not Vitali. Wlad is the one with the best wins. Not Vitali.

[bklynboy]

3 criterias : record, h2h and notoriety.

We must all recognize that you can't compare fighters such as Foreman,Ali and Frazier with the Klitschkos and David Haye due to huge athletic diferrences. I wouldn't be surprised if I was told Haye hits harder than Foreman used to. Briggs said with his own mouth that Vitali was the hardest hitting fighter he has ever faced ( Briggs fought with Foreman). Vitali is 42 and would still give a beating to Povetkin for instance ( who I think is perfectly matching his style). Ali was finished at the age of 35...

Ali has a better record and has more notoriety. But to be honest, what would happen if he faced a giant that is extremely awkward, has decent hand speed, good reflexes, heavy hands and an excellent timing?

My conclusion is that you can't really establish a ranking. We should just make an ATG list and that would be just fine.

You have to be kidding me. Haye hits harder than Foreman!? I would be surprised if Haye hits harder than Holyfield.

Now - if what you said is true then I'm sure you're upset when you hear that some people say that "small" heavyweights like Joe Louis could never beat modern giants.

[JAB5239]

You have to be kidding me. Haye hits harder than Foreman!? I would be surprised if Haye hits harder than Holyfield.

Now - if what you said is true then I'm sure you're upset when you hear that some people say that "small" heavyweights like Joe Louis could never beat modern giants.

Its all about him twisting things to suit his agenda. Like the Briggs comment for instance. Briggs may very well have said that and even believe it. but if we look at it objectively we see Briggs is talking about and old, slow Foreman when he himself was prime compared to a Vitaly many were calling still prime vs himself who was bloated slow and couldn't get out of the way.

[bklynboy]

So you tell me that If Ali was fighting in our era, withoutthe Klitschkos, he wouldn't be considered as an ATG? Right...

Yeah. Probably. Ali's athleticism would give people more pause than the Emmanuel Stewart style adopted by the Ks but yes -- his resume would be pathetic.

Secondly Ali was fighting all-comers starting when he was around 22. VK was 22 in the early 1990s. If he had taken all comers from 1995 on and slayed them all - then yes he would justly be considered an ATG.

VK took a while to mature and to learn his style so no one thinks he was truly ready to take on world-class competition until he was 30 or so. Now. Let's take a look at his resume. Who's on it that makes VK an ATG?

VK fought some *decent* fighters. Sam Peters, Shannon Briggs (way past prime), Chris Arreola, Adamek.

It's true that VK dominated another decent fighter in Chris Byrd. BUT who has the W and who has the L?

[Derranged]

3 criterias : record, h2h and notoriety.

We must all recognize that you can't compare fighters such as Foreman,Ali and Frazier with the Klitschkos and David Haye due to huge athletic diferrences. I wouldn't be surprised if I was told Haye hits harder than Foreman used to. Briggs said with his own mouth that Vitali was the hardest hitting fighter he has ever faced ( Briggs fought with Foreman). Vitali is 42 and would still give a beating to Povetkin for instance ( who I think is perfectly matching his style). Ali was finished at the age of 35...

Ali has a better record and has more notoriety. But to be honest, what would happen if he faced a giant that is extremely awkward, has decent hand speed, good reflexes, heavy hands and an excellent timing?

My conclusion is that you can't really establish a ranking. We should just make an ATG list and that would be just fine.

Hahahahahahahahahhaahahahah

I had to laugh at that as well.