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  • Boxing Goat
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    #491
    Originally posted by BattlingNelson
    He does what every boxer would do.

    Anyway I agree on the premisses. The conclusions you make is for your own account. I always found it odd how Vitali (and Chavez Jr.) was allowed to keep their belts while Ward was stripped.
    Like a fighter would tell them, "Oh go ahead and strip me, it's the right thing to do".

    The relationship Vitali has with the WBC is stellar. That's why he was the emeritus champ for 4 years and why he will not be stripped as long as he:

    1)Pays their fees on time every time.
    2)Keeps them informed about everything going on.
    3)Stays a heavyweight.
    4)Kisses el presidente's a55 on a normal basis.

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      #492
      Originally posted by Boxing Goat
      Like a fighter would tell them, "Oh go ahead and strip me, it's the right thing to do".

      The relationship Vitali has with the WBC is stellar. That's why he was the emeritus champ for 4 years and why he will not be stripped as long as he:

      1)Pays their fees on time every time.
      2)Keeps them informed about everything going on.
      3)Stays a heavyweight.
      4)Kisses el presidente's a55 on a normal basis.
      The WBC's behaviour with the emeritus tag in general is suspect to say the least. According to their own website the tag is awarded for life, but that is not how they use it. Mikkel Kessler was awarded the tag when injury forced him out of the s6 and he volontarily gave up his belt when he didn't have to. Yet the WBC only had him as emeritus for about a year and a half.

      I know there's another recent example, but I cannot remember the name straight off the bat.

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        #493
        Originally posted by Boxing Goat
        Like a fighter would tell them, "Oh go ahead and strip me, it's the right thing to do".

        The relationship Vitali has with the WBC is stellar. That's why he was the emeritus champ for 4 years and why he will not be stripped as long as he:

        1)Pays their fees on time every time.
        2)Keeps them informed about everything going on.
        3)Stays a heavyweight.
        4)Kisses el presidente's a55 on a normal basis.
        1)Pays to be strong armed instead of fighting on his own merit.
        2)In other words a snitch.
        3)As if he had a choice in the matter.
        4)Such an honorable trait for a guy who wants to fight corruption and be the Ukraine president.

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          #494
          Originally posted by BattlingNelson
          The WBC's behaviour with the emeritus tag in general is suspect to say the least. According to their own website the tag is awarded for life, but that is not how they use it. Mikkel Kessler was awarded the tag when injury forced him out of the s6 and he volontarily gave up his belt when he didn't have to. Yet the WBC only had him as emeritus for about a year and a half.

          I know there's another recent example, but I cannot remember the name straight off the bat.
          Vitali is an exception because he's in the glamor division and has a great relationship with the organization.

          I don't agree or disagree. It is what it is.

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            #495
            Originally posted by Boxing Goat
            Vitali is an exception because he's in the glamor division and has a great relationship with the organization.

            I don't agree or disagree. It is what it is.
            There are no exceptions, you ether follow your own rules or they mean ****. When you break them to show favoritism you only show you're corrupt.

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              #496
              Originally posted by Boxing Goat
              I responded to exactly what you wrote and intended dip****
              If you aren't involved in the convo then you need to read the context or keep your cum dumpster shut.

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                #497
                Originally posted by JAB5239
                There are no exceptions, you ether follow your own rules or they mean ****. When you break them to show favoritism you only show you're corrupt.
                Then again there's not a single 'governing body' that hasn't had several shady decisions. You cannot single out just one. In fact it would be more fair to say that almost the entire Industry is currupt in one way or another.

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                  #498
                  Originally posted by Boxing Goat
                  Wladimir's 21-2 in title fights and ranks 4th all time in title fight wins and 2nd in length. I would say that clearly ranks as an all time resume but thanks for hatefully playing.

                  Correction: 3rd all time in title fight wins.

                  The Top 6 is:

                  Louis: 26-1
                  Ali: 22-3
                  Wlad: 21-2
                  Holmes: 20-5
                  Lewis: 16-2
                  Vitali: 15-2
                  Title fights without consideration of who was fought in those title fights are a worthless measure. The quality of the opponent is what matters not whether there's a cheap alphabet bauble attached to it.

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                    #499
                    In case anyone was interested:

                    Rules Regarding WBC Championship Belts
                    ARTICLE III - CHAMPIONSHIP OBLIGATIONS

                    3.5 Mandatory Defense Obligations. All WBC champions shall make at least one (1) mandatory defense per year, unless an exception is granted by the WBC in its sole discretion. A champion may be required to make more than one mandatory defense per year, if the WBC has designated more than one mandatory challenger for any reason. No bout shall be considered a mandatory defense unless specifically approved by the WBC and
                    made exclusively against an official mandatory challenger designated by the WBC. A challenger who wins the title shall automatically inherit the mandatory defense obligations of the champion he defeated, unless the WBC in its sole discretion otherwise directs.

                    3.6 Timing and Extensions of Mandatory Defense Obligations. The time periods for mandatory defenses stated in these Rules may be altered by the WBC in its sole discretion under special circumstances, including if a champion has defended the title in a voluntary defense against a contender the WBC may have deemed a mandatory challenger. No mandatory bout may be contested until such time as is required for a mandatory defense
                    under these Rules and Regulations, including any extensions that may be granted by the WBC in its sole discretion.

                    What this basically says is that Vitali is not breaking any rules by the WBC, he's just playing the game by their rules. They are reviewing his reasons for wanting extensions and allowing it so us as fans need not worry about the reasons they chose to allow extensions for some fighters while declining them for other fighters.

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                      #500
                      Originally posted by BattlingNelson
                      Then again there's not a single 'governing body' that hasn't had several shady decisions. You cannot single out just one. In fact it would be more fair to say that almost the entire Industry is currupt in one way or another.

                      I agree they all suck, that's why I put no stock into any of their belts. Belts don't make the champion and there can only be one world champ per division. The WBC is the worst and most blatant with their corruption though. I've hated them since they stripped Rocchigiani to GIVE the title back to Jones.

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