Vitali's mythical poor resume pt 2
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The title Vitali went after was his before he retired & was Lewis' before that... so you can't get anymore legit than that..... this is the ONLY title Lewis had before retiring & Klitschko almost took it from him... so if it's not legit.. than it wasn't legit for Lewis when he retired.... yes Vitali fought Sanders for it & won it outright instead of getting it from Lewis. Vitali wanted to win it from Lewis on a second try but wasn't afforded the opportunity.
Sanders relinquished his WBO belt so he could fight Vitali for the WBC one... so what this means is Vitali could've either legitimized the WBO belt as that was previously held by an alltime great by beating Sanders or take the WBC one that was also previously held by an alltime great champion.
Both belts on lineage were held by great champions right before.. I realize he didn't fight those champions for them but through no fault of his own... he beat the guy who beat the great champion beforehand.. so calling it paper or whatever is an opinion.Comment
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Lennox Lewis had NEVER before been outlanded & outthrown for 6 individual rds until he met a fellow alltime great in Vitali Klitschko & Klitschko did this for all 6 rds. Vitali had never been cut like that since or after there bout. They both did something to the other that had never been done before because they are both alltime great big heavies.Comment
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Lineage really has little to do with sanctioning body belts. They don't rate each other's champions. When the lineal crown is vacant, if the last lineal king had a WBC belt, that doesn't mean defer to WBC ratings to see where history's new true champ. They inherently don't rate relevant people towards that end.The title Vitali went after was his before he retired & was Lewis' before that... so you can't get anymore legit than that..... this is the ONLY title Lewis had before retiring & Klitschko almost took it from him... so if it's not legit.. than it wasn't legit for Lewis when he retired.... yes Vitali fought Sanders for it & won it outright instead of getting it from Lewis. Vitali wanted to win it from Lewis on a second try but wasn't afforded the opportunity.
Sanders relinquished his WBO belt so he could fight Vitali for the WBC one... so what this means is Vitali could've either legitimized the WBO belt as that was previously held by an alltime great by beating Sanders or take the WBC one that was also previously held by an alltime great champion.
Both belts on lineage were held by great champions right before.. I realize he didn't fight those champions for them but through no fault of his own... he beat the guy who beat the great champion beforehand.. so calling it paper or whatever is an opinion.Comment
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I know this... just showing how ridiculous the claim is that Vitali is holding a paper belt.... there's 4 belts fragmented by two Klitschko's & all 4 have been legitimized by both of them. Vitali could've easily had two of the other belts if he didn't have the WBC instead of his brother... the WBO which I explained & the WBA if he had been the one to have fought Haye instead of his brother. Value of the belts now is irrelevant as now all the lineage belongs to the Klitschko's & all 4 belts when they get relinquished.Lineage really has little to do with sanctioning body belts. They don't rate each other's champions. When the lineal crown is vacant, if the last lineal king had a WBC belt, that doesn't mean defer to WBC ratings to see where history's new true champ. They inherently don't rate relevant people towards that end.Last edited by KBRO; 09-29-2013, 07:48 PM.Comment
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It' quite absurd that many people don't consider Vitali a legit champ, when he's holding maybe the most prestigious of the four major ones. It's not some paper belt, it's the WBC title, ffs. Ali had it, Tyson had it, now Vitali has it.Comment
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Well lets see.....If the fighters in Fraziers era fought twice a year against stiff, took 3 years leisure time off I'd say quite a few. Larry Holmes beat a Ray Mercer who was better than anybody Vits has fought post 40.They have similar hooks. Peter is just slower and hits a little bit harder. Their offensive styles are indeed a quite similar. Frazier weaves a lot because he is faster.
That doesn't change my mind : Frazier wouldn't beat either Klitschko or even David Haye.
It's extremely hard to compare the old generations with the current one in terms of athleticism and physique.
Ali was considered as a big heavyweight. Today , even Haye who is considered as one of the smallest heavys is bigger than Ali.Vitali, Wladimir, Tyson Fury, Tony Thompson, Robert Helenius, David Price, Lennox Lewis would be considered as giants at his time.
I dare you to give me one fighter of Frazier's era that fought until his 40's and was still in an amazing shape such as Vitali Klitschko. Or at least give me some fighters, Foreman not mentioned ( eventhough foreman struggled after his comeback), that fought at an elite level in their 40's .
And no Sam Peter style was not like Fraziers. Get a clue!Comment
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Why don't you break it down for us and explain exactly what they accomplished?All you have to do is see what his opponents accomplished before and after fighting him...and the answer to that is [I]not much[/I
Almost every single opponent of there's accomplished MORE fighting others before they stepped in with a Klitschko & accomplished MORE fighting others after they fought a Klitschko with a few rare exceptions..... that's your true tale of the tape.. right thereComment
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There can be only ONE true champion and Vits isn't it. Deal withy it.
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