Who is more likely to be able to beat a prime Jon Jones in a street fight Ali or Mike Tyson ?

[kafkod]

Boxing is kryptonite too many styles of martial arts and has proven it can be successful against any, MMA included.

We have seen countless videos of boxers in Street fights - I can't think of one time any lost outside of some modified rule set which isn't really a Street fight.
We've seen countless ranked MMA fighters get smashed to bits in the Street by regular dudes and not so good fighters though.

Lol, that's true. There are several videos of UFC "stars" getting beat up by regular guys on YT.

[kafkod]

My friend, a soldier, 8 years in the judo national team, went to train for the special forces (was sent to Israel) told me the worst thing he has encountered was a trained boxer.

That doesn't surprise me at all. I remember watching a video by an American guy who runs an MMA gym in China. He has a YT channel and was answering questions from a viewer on the same topic as this thread. .. what are the best combat sports for a street fight? His picks were boxing, if you can stay on your feet, wrestling if you end up on the ground. He actually referenced Mike Tyson too, saying that any grapplers out there who thought they could choke out a prime Mike Tyson in a street fight were living in cloud cuckoo land, or words to that effect.

[IronDanHamza]

I guess some people just don't get irony.



We did some sparring where he would try to tap me out and I would try to stop him. He couldn't do it because I was physically stronger and more athletic than him.

He's just a regular JJ black belt though. Maybe if he had a Brazilian as well it would have been a different story?

Or maybe you are talking nonsense here.

Yeah I'm sure you did Unless you outweigh him by 50+ lbs then a legitimate Jiu Jitsu black belt would tap you out quite literally in 30 seconds flat (that's being generous). So you either do that or he may have got his black belt from amazon.

What kind of Jiu Jitsu black belt is he? Japanese I'm assuming if it's not BJJ?

It's next to impossible to achieve a legitimate black belt in two different forms of Jiu Jitsu considering the time frame it takes to achieve that so no I don't think it would nor do I think you have any kind of understanding of this field either.

[IronDanHamza]

That doesn't surprise me at all. I remember watching a video by an American guy who runs an MMA gym in China. He has a YT channel and was answering questions from a viewer on the same topic as this thread. .. what are the best combat sports for a street fight? His picks were boxing, if you can stay on your feet, wrestling if you end up on the ground. He actually referenced Mike Tyson too, saying that any grapplers out there who thought they could choke out a prime Mike Tyson in a street fight were living in cloud cuckoo land, or words to that effect.

Oh really Where was that video in the comedy section or the "I've made this up" section?

Post the link to that video please, would love to see it.

[dan_cov]

Jiu-jitsu alone doesn't work in a Street fight, not to say it can't vs some incredibly weak guy that is very naive even a light slap can work. Anything can work in a fight given the right circumstances.

Most jiu-jitsu practitioners don't have any take downs.

For jiu-jitsu to work it replies on way too many hypothetical situations. Its not designed for Street fighting per say.

First it requires you entering several striking ranges and most jiu-jitsu practitioners do not have any sort of footwork let alone angles and aren't used to getting hit, they have zero punch resistance. Then it requires them grabbing a hold and implementing a takedown or pulling guard and putting themselves in the worst possible place you can be - on your back laying on concrete risking landing on a stone, shard of glass, etc
Having the back of your head virtually against concrete. Trying not to get hit or stamped on. You can't effectively use wrist control like you can in MMA due to the gloves.
Then it requires you being able to control your opponent and your opponent leaving something out there and you applying the submission without them hitting you, hoofing you clean in the balls or simply pulling away, gauging your eyes, biting, etc


Quite frankly its extremely dangerous to use in the Street and one of the worst martial arts for Street fighting and just about any MMA fighter will attest to that.

Wrestling is far more effective, judo also - an underrated martial art for Street fighting.

[dan_cov]

Jiu-jitsu only really works in the cage

I am sure there are probably videos of it being used against people who aren't truly trying to fight but then again there is likely videos of situations being deescalated with headlocks, bear hugs and all sorts it doesn't necessarily mean they're effective as such. The sun shines on a dogs backside some days.

[dan_cov]

Just look at ***** Danis, that is your average jiu-jitsu guy right there.


Don't get me wrong if Gordon Ryan grabs a hold of a limb, you're losing it.
But even in jiu-jitsu it relies on so many different things and opponents even having to force themselves to the ground with him.
You pull guard in the Street with your legs open inviting a guy to come lay between your legs something tells me its not happening lol

[TMLT87]

Jesus Christ some of the takes in here...

- 2-0 Dillon Danis being equated to Jon Jones

- "I can beat BJJ black belts because my mate is one",

- videos of playful slap boxing between Jon and Mike as "proof" of something.

- "people mostly punch in the street because its all they know how to do, therefore boxing is the best"

- Claiming boxing is "kryptonite" to all other styles when pretty much all evidence we've been shown for the last several decades points towards multiple other styles being kryptonite towards boxing due to its one dimensional nature and lack of defence to various things.

- "MmA TeChNiQuEs DoNt WoRk On ThE sTrEeTz"

All this to try and validate the ridiculous notion that a boxer from the 70s-80s shouldnt be an underdog against a much bigger modern day fighter from a sport that didnt even exist when they were in their prime.

[TheProudLunatic]

In The Carl Froch's immortal words, "We can all pull about a bit, have a bit of a pull and a push"

We can all do it, mate. You don't need to be JJ or a BJJ black belt to have a bit of a pull and a push.

GG thought he caught CF in an owned moment
Tables, turned !

[IronDanHamza]

Jiu-jitsu alone doesn't work in a Street fight, not to say it can't vs some incredibly weak guy that is very naive even a light slap can work. Anything can work in a fight given the right circumstances.

Most jiu-jitsu practitioners don't have any take downs.

For jiu-jitsu to work it replies on way too many hypothetical situations. Its not designed for Street fighting per say.

First it requires you entering several striking ranges and most jiu-jitsu practitioners do not have any sort of footwork let alone angles and aren't used to getting hit, they have zero punch resistance. Then it requires them grabbing a hold and implementing a takedown or pulling guard and putting themselves in the worst possible place you can be - on your back laying on concrete risking landing on a stone, shard of glass, etc
Having the back of your head virtually against concrete. Trying not to get hit or stamped on. You can't effectively use wrist control like you can in MMA due to the gloves.
Then it requires you being able to control your opponent and your opponent leaving something out there and you applying the submission without them hitting you, hoofing you clean in the balls or simply pulling away, gauging your eyes, biting, etc


Quite frankly its extremely dangerous to use in the Street and one of the worst martial arts for Street fighting and just about any MMA fighter will attest to that.

Wrestling is far more effective, judo also - an underrated martial art for Street fighting.

Actually yeah it fuckin does It is totally and comically absurd to say that any kind of Jiu Jitsu "doesn't work in a street fight" when all it takes to break someone's arm standing, choke somebody unconscious standing is a matter of seconds. You don't need to "take someone down" to snap their limb or choke them out again in a matter of seconds.

You're also totally incorrect in saying "most Jiu-Jitsu practitioners don't have any takedowns" that is just laughably and patently false. It's the literal opposite of reality. You are taught basic takedowns at white belt level let alone black belt level.

Again using this ridiculous notion than Jiu Jitsu experts don't have the ability to bite or gauge eyes and only boxers for someone reason. A Jiu Jitsu black belt, 99.9 times out of 100 is putting any boxer on the floor doing whatever they please. That's biting, gauging, farting on their head, or sexually assaulting them in front of whoever is spectating and there is not a single thing the boxer could do to stop it.

I urge anyone with this insane opinion, especially any kind of competent boxer who only knows boxing, to take just one Jiu Jitsu class, of any kind, and be prepared for the most rude awakening of your life