Why is Wilder still considered elite?

[crimsonfalcon07]

wilder fought a guy who was ranked 9 years before they fought...to some people thats proof he fights good opponents lmao! thats proof he cherry picks old shot fighters is it not? he only beat 2 guys who were ranked at the time of the fight. thats what matters. not if some bum was ranked 9 fricking years before they fought.

He's still had 6 fights against Ring ranked opponents, which is more than Tyson Fury or Andy Ruiz. Of the current champions, only AJ has fought better opponents, and his record isn't actually that good there either. Maybe Usyk has fought better opponents, but it's close there. And none of them have managed to match Wilder's accomplishments in an admittedly weak division. You move the goalposts left and right. Like, you say Stiverne is unrated in the second fight, but didn't bother to count him for the first fight when he was rated, which was already enough to disprove your claim. And you conveniently left out the fact that Stiverne was dropped from the rankings for lack of activity, not because better guys came along.

[Legends456]

Ali at 220 lbs would get knocked out by Dubois in 2022. get with the times boomer

I’m 35, sir

[daggum]

He's still had 6 fights against Ring ranked opponents, which is more than Tyson Fury or Andy Ruiz. Of the current champions, only AJ has fought better opponents, and his record isn't actually that good there either. Maybe Usyk has fought better opponents, but it's close there. And none of them have managed to match Wilder's accomplishments in an admittedly weak division. You move the goalposts left and right. Like, you say Stiverne is unrated in the second fight, but didn't bother to count him for the first fight when he was rated, which was already enough to disprove your claim. And you conveniently left out the fact that Stiverne was dropped from the rankings for lack of activity, not because better guys came along.

actually i did count him. i said wilder has beaten 2 top 10 opponents. stiveren and ortiz. hes only knocked out one top 10 opponent. i didnt leave out anything. stiverne was a fricking bum and shouldnt have been ranked at all. the fact he was dropped is his own fault. and better guys did come along and were along the whole time. the guy had one fight in 2 and a half years against derrik rossy and probably should have lost while looking terrible. good reason to drop him if hes not fighting and hes looking like dog crap

[daggum]

He's still had 6 fights against Ring ranked opponents, which is more than Tyson Fury or Andy Ruiz. Of the current champions, only AJ has fought better opponents, and his record isn't actually that good there either. Maybe Usyk has fought better opponents, but it's close there. And none of them have managed to match Wilder's accomplishments in an admittedly weak division. You move the goalposts left and right. Like, you say Stiverne is unrated in the second fight, but didn't bother to count him for the first fight when he was rated, which was already enough to disprove your claim. And you conveniently left out the fact that Stiverne was dropped from the rankings for lack of activity, not because better guys came along.

what accomplishments are you referring to? title defenses against unranked opponents? those are useless. fury has 5 top 10 wins, ruiz has the same number as wilder but against joshua who is 10 times better than anyone wilder has beaten and ortiz who is wilders best win, but if you talk to any wilder head they will tell you wilder is much better than ruiz even though thats silly

[HeadShots]

I’m 35, sir

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[dan_cov]

Why was he ever considered elite?
Elite power maybe but he's not elite overall and doesn't possess elite skills or ability or even a good resume nevermind great.
He was getting hopelessly outboxed by Szpilka and a whole host of no hopers, he made Gerald Washington look like a prime Larry Holmes for 6 rounds. Sure he won but it speaks for his lack of ability when getting soundly outboxed by opponents of this sort of level. He lost every round vs Ortiz apart from the ones he dropped him in. Same against Fury but I can see past that one.

Just a terribly limited puncher who tbf hasn't even really knocked out anybody known for their durability.

How can this guy supposedly be elite for however long yet somehow not fought Whyte, Povetkin, Pulev, Parker, Ruiz, AJ, Usyk the list goes on and on
He hasn't fought any well or highly regarded prospect either.

He's fought two decent guys in his career a total of 5 times and not won one round unless he has dropped them.

The only guy he has beat is a near 40yr old Ortiz who he caught at the right time and maybe Stiverne who was always lazy and seemingly just stopped training once he won a belt and achieved his goal.
In truth his resume is just two old, out of shape fighters he met at the right time and a host of total bums.

[crimsonfalcon07]

actually i did count him. i said wilder has beaten 2 top 10 opponents. stiveren and ortiz. hes only knocked out one top 10 opponent. i didnt leave out anything. stiverne was a fricking bum and shouldnt have been ranked at all. the fact he was dropped is his own fault. and better guys did come along and were along the whole time. the guy had one fight in 2 and a half years against derrik rossy and probably should have lost while looking terrible. good reason to drop him if hes not fighting and hes looking like dog crap

Yet again, the point is that no matter how you move the goalposts, only AJ has fought better opponents, and none of the other heavyweights have managed to match Wilder's accomplishments. If the division is full of bums and everyone else has even worse opposition, why haven't they done as well as Wilder if it's so easy? For that matter, since it's so easy, where's YOUR pro record at?

It's fact that Wilder still has more fights against top ranked opponents than Fury or Ruiz, Usyk started at cruiser and only has AJ at heavyweight, and NONE of them have been able to match his accomplishments.

[billeau2]

title defenses against unranked guys? no thanks those are useless. yes ortiz is overrated given his resume. hes lost against the 2 best fighters he fought although he fought well in both. his only notable win was against jennings, he almost got ko'd against ruiz and charles martin. i dont know im not seeing anything amazing there. guys like joyce and ruiz are well above ortiz in accomplishments but ortiz gets hyped up cause he lost to wilder? and wilder gets hyped up for losing to fury? bizarro world

Casuals always fixate on relative measures... Ranked, unranked are subjective measures and mean little with respect to a talent pool that is perpetually diminished. Ortiz was hyped because he did not have any losses and went through the division like a hot knife through butter. Joyce and Ruiz are not above Ortiz in some vast separate way, Ruiz won, and Joyce? I don't know one can say he is "better" or worse... Ortiz was ducked also before Wilder... something to think about. Ortiz fought very well against Wilder... and Ruiz is in his prime while Ortiz is in hias twilight.

[billeau2]

you are the one that needs to prove your claim. the burden of proof is on you not me. you are the one that made the claim that he has knocked out more than 1 top 10 ranked fighter. i asked you to name the top 10 figthers wilder knocked out...you refused. you refused because listing guys like gerald washington, duhapas, eric molina, etc...would make you look silly since every one knows those guys arent good and no one credible had them in the top 10. did the ring have any of those guys in the top 10? the answer is no. the only guy they had in the top 10 was ortiz, hence he has knocked out 1 top 10 guy his entire career. i dont use the silly fraudulent wbc rankings because they purposefully rank bums so wilder gets easy fights. if thats what you are using you arent credible or a serious person and i will laugh at you(even more)

here is a summary for ya:

daggum: wilder has only ko'd 1 top 10 fighter

marchegiano: daggum here claiming he only KO'd one top ten, but that's not the truth and the dude made considerable money KO'ing top ten HWs

daggum: oh yeah name the top 10 fighters

marchegiano: .............

you are spanking me lol ok

Stiverne was considered ranked... Wilder Ko'ed him.

[crimsonfalcon07]

Also, don't get me wrong. Wilder isn't elite when it comes to skill. He's elite only when it comes to power. And say what you will about him, he finds a way to land that against everyone, including the supposed best heavyweight. And for the most part, it only takes one shot. There's very few fighters who have had true one shot stop power at heavyweight.