Why is Wilder still considered elite?

[daggum]

You didn't know Stiverne was ranked... Fact. You split the straws when called out claiming that Stiverne was only ranked for the first of two fights... See the split there fuul? If a fighter was ranked, they were ranked... Sure they might then have lost a fight and gone off the list, but Wilder defeated Stiverne who was ranked... Only a fuul saving face says "but but but, Stiverne was only ranked the first fight." Does that mean in sum total Stiverne was 1/2 ranked fighter? Because where I come from if someone is ranked, they are ranked... You got tripped up on your own silly criteria and then started looking for a way out... Didn't let you take it, owned your a s s instead. All together now: If a fighter is ranked for one fight and losses the fight and the ranking, that fighter is/was ____________ Hint: starts with an R.

i claimed stiverne was only ranked for the first fight because stiverne was only ranked for the first fight. where are you going wrong here? im literally just using the same criteria i have used from the start but because you dont know the facts you are unable to follow it. its not my fault you dont have all the facts. dont get mad at me because you are lost. helenius was ranked 9 years before wilder fought him, are we counting him as a ranked fighter too? no. we arent. we are using the same criteria as always. were they ranked when wilder fought them? the answer is stiverne was not in the rematch. please follow along

https://www.boxingscene.com/deontay-...t-card--122106

Bermane Stiverne

Age: 39

Previous Title: WBC Heavyweight (2014-15)

Previous Titles: None

Height: 6’2

Weight: 254 ¾ lbs.

Hails from: Las Vegas, Nevada (Born in Haiti)

Record: 25-2-1, 21 KO, 1 KOBY

Record in Major Title Fights: 1-1, 1 KO

Rankings: Unrated

this is a contemporary article showing that stiverne was in fact not ranked. what more do i have to do or say?it says wilder was ranked #2 in the ring and stiverne was not ranked at all. i moved no goalposts. i have the facts. you are the one who keeps making up new arguments to try and show wilder fought top 10 guys from 9 years previously get real

you are probably confusing yourself because you are unable to decipher the difference between me saying wilder beat 2 top 10 fighters, and wilder knocked out 1 top 10 fighter. i always said he beat 2 and knocked out 1. where are you going wrong? stiverne was not ranked in the rematch therefore he doesnt count as a knockout win over a top 10 fighter. please follow along

[dan-b]

Boxing needs at least 2 new heavy weight classes

I think we should have single pound divisions all the way from strawweight to heavyweight. Say we start at 105 and go all the way up to 250. That's 146 divisions. Four belts in each weight class means there's 584 'world' titles available. Awesome.

[HandsofIron]

I think we should have single pound divisions all the way from strawweight to heavyweight. Say we start at 105 and go all the way up to 250. That's 146 divisions. Four belts in each weight class means there's 584 'world' titles available. Awesome.

Heavyweight is never going to be fixed until it starts accommodating the super giants that weigh 280 lbs and up.

Just change Heavyweight to 230 lbs and Super Heavyweight to something like 260 lbs and everything after is unlimited Maxweight....is all I'm saying.

[billeau2]

i claimed stiverne was only ranked for the first fight because stiverne was only ranked for the first fight. where are you going wrong here? im literally just using the same criteria i have used from the start but because you dont know the facts you are unable to follow it. its not my fault you dont have all the facts. dont get mad at me because you are lost. helenius was ranked 9 years before wilder fought him, are we counting him as a ranked fighter too? no. we arent. we are using the same criteria as always. were they ranked when wilder fought them? the answer is stiverne was not in the rematch. please follow along

https://www.boxingscene.com/deontay-...t-card--122106

Bermane Stiverne

Age: 39

Previous Title: WBC Heavyweight (2014-15)

Previous Titles: None

Height: 6’2

Weight: 254 ¾ lbs.

Hails from: Las Vegas, Nevada (Born in Haiti)

Record: 25-2-1, 21 KO, 1 KOBY

Record in Major Title Fights: 1-1, 1 KO

Rankings: Unrated

this is a contemporary article showing that stiverne was in fact not ranked. what more do i have to do or say?it says wilder was ranked #2 in the ring and stiverne was not ranked at all. i moved no goalposts. i have the facts. you are the one who keeps making up new arguments to try and show wilder fought top 10 guys from 9 years previously get real

you are probably confusing yourself because you are unable to decipher the difference between me saying wilder beat 2 top 10 fighters, and wilder knocked out 1 top 10 fighter. i always said he beat 2 and knocked out 1. where are you going wrong? stiverne was not ranked in the rematch therefore he doesnt count as a knockout win over a top 10 fighter. please follow along

so repeating the same tripe will make it so? Lol. Keep trying that red herring, you know, throw enough shiat against the wall and some will stick!

[N/A]

Him being elite comes from the title he held for so long against B to C-level competition. Could he be a top fighter really - I doubt he'll find his balls to prove it at his age and also because of his character. But there is also a big question: if any true present elite faces Wilder, could he survive his cross? Answers we'll never know, unfortunately, but is also on Wilder's legacy.

[PRINCEKOOL]

Heavyweight is never going to be fixed until it starts accommodating the super giants that weigh 280 lbs and up.

Just change Heavyweight to 230 lbs and Super Heavyweight to something like 260 lbs and everything after is unlimited Maxweight....is all I'm saying.

The Heavyweight Division is a open class division 'Open class competition like nature itself'.

The Heavyweight Division does not need to be fixed, it is the ultimate and best division.

The Heavyweight Division has the most pure and raw competition, no weight limits, no weight draining, no catch weights, no re-hydration clauses just two fighters training to win etc.

[HeadShots]

btw people are telling Joyce to retire after these 2 beatings.


but Wilder just went through 2 beatings. with the last one ending like this

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[HandsofIron]

The Heavyweight Division is a open class division 'Open class competition like nature itself'.

The Heavyweight Division does not need to be fixed, it is the ultimate and best division.

The Heavyweight Division has the most pure and raw competition, no weight limits, no weight draining, no catch weights, no re-hydration clauses just two fighters training to win etc.

Times have changed and the Klitschko Brothers reign proved that because of the size advantages they had over the smaller competition.

[dan-b]

Times have changed and the Klitschko Brothers reign proved that because of the size advantages they had over the smaller competition.

The "smaller competition" consisted of too many fat Americans, the weight wasn't the problem.

[HandsofIron]

The "smaller competition" consisted of too many fat Americans, the weight wasn't the problem.

Again, let's go back to the topic at hand, Wilder lost to Fury because he was too small. Fury's massive weight advantage, 256 & 1/2 lbs, negated Wilder's one hitter quitter power that normally KO's every average 220 lb HW.

If Fury weighed the same as Wilder in the first fight, 212 & 1/2 lbs, guarantee Fury does not get up from that right hand.