Why is Wilder still considered elite?

[daggum]

A win comes in this world when your opposition begins goal moving and circular, self affirming, logic. You will never admit defeat, no one does here, but, I suggest you never read this interaction from beginning to end again because if you do you risk losing this delusion you keep to stop yourself from seeing what a cro-magnon you are.


This friend, was absolutely one sided, we can both agree there. Self aware? control? Yeah, all the elements are there. One of us is a legend and the other's just been here a long ass time, and that sure as **** shows.

he's only beaten 2 top 10 fighters according to the ring which is 100% credible. i said that all along and i proved that. you are the one who tried to move the goalposts by using the wbc rankings which arent credible at all, and you can see in your own thread everyone is laughing at you and pointing out how comical their rankings are. like i said before you even moved the goalposts if you are going to say gerald washington, spilzka, molina, etc...are top 10 fighters you are going to get laughed at, little did i know you had already made a thread where everyone is laughing at you for pretending those were legit top 10 guys. belt organizations will rank anyone they want at any time. they have no credibility. hell they moved a dead guy up their rankings, true story. the overall point is wilder doesnt fight good fighters which is backed up by the facts and rankings. im not attacking you for liking wilder, you can like him all you want, just dont pretend hes some great fighter beating great opposition, thats you delusion.

[daggum]

lol, splitting straws again... OHHH!!! he wasn't ranked in the rematch (poof!!) you are the perfect casual idiot that eats up these "rankings" which mean nothing... What changed with Stiverne? He lost a fight! But that ranking is fodder for an argument about the inherent ability of the man... LIKE he magically WAS TRANSFORMED when the boxing council changed his standing. What a moronie!

splitting straws? stating facts is splitting straws now?

[crimsonfalcon07]

he was not ranked in the rematch i literally just posted the proof of that on the last page

So? He got removed for inactivity, which is one of the issues with Ring. He was still ranked the year before, in which he didn't fight. Tyson Fury was removed as well for the same reason, and you'd pretend he wasn't worth anything at all when he came back? All you do is cherry pick stats and move goalposts.

Fury doesn't have 5 top 10 wins. He's got Wilder 3 times, Whyte, and Klitschko, and one of those fights was a draw, and his best one was a decision, and tainted because he was positive for PEDs. In fact, if Wilder is so overrated, why do we even count wins against him at all?

Ruiz has Joseph Parker (loss), AJ (win), AJ (loss), Ortiz (win, but failed to knock him out, which Wilder did twice). We don't know if AJ is a better win than anyone on Wilder's resume because they haven't fought and they have very little common opposition. And AJ couldn't even knock out Jermaine Franklin. It took him 7 rounds to do to Helenius and Breazeale what Wilder did in 1 for both.

And you have yet to answer the question why, if the division is full of bums, the others haven't been able to knock out as many bums as Wilder or defend their title(s) as many times. The answer isn't because they're fighting top competition, aside from AJ. I do think AJ deserves more credit than he's been getting lately, but ALL of them have guys who weren't top 10 that they didn't knock out. The ONLY guy that Wilder didn't knock out is Tyson Fury, the #1 ranked guy in the division. The truth is that you're a hater, and you'll do anything to discredit a guy who has accomplished more than you ever will.

[Zelda]

Because the rest of the HW division is crap.

And because Wilder has power in his right hand and has been knocking people not named Fury out. And also because he hasn't fought in a long time, people do not really know where he's actually at. So, they are assuming he is the same guy who fought a very courageous and tough fight against Fury in their 3rd encounter. And also because he has shown that he only has to be perfect for 2 seconds and 36 minutes is a lot of time to get those 2 seconds. And because HW boxing is about big KOs and Wilder looks good KOing people.

[daggum]

Moving those posts again! Listen to what you claimed about Wilder and what you claim now. Nobody was putting Wilder above, you were trying to put him below and you got handled! So now? suddenly? you turn tail and claim "You guys were saying Wilder was in a class by himself!" No... ut rankings, kYou wanted to play the rankings game, I showed you that Bermaine was ranked, and if someone like me, who is an idiot abonows that Stiverne was ranked... What does it say about you and the basis for your downgrade of Wilder?

Think about it lol...

i already counted stiverene as ranked though so what you are saying makes no sense. i said wilder has ko'd 1 top 10 opponent. that is 100 percent true it was ortiz. he has beaten 2 top 10 opponents. that is 100 percent true. ortiz and stiverne. where are you going wrong here? are you counting heleniius as ranked as well because he was ranked 9 years before wilder fought him? that would be moving the goal posts which is what you did because you knew you couldnt argue with me on the merits since i had the facts and all you had was an emotional attachment to wilder

[daggum]

So? He got removed for inactivity, which is one of the issues with Ring. He was still ranked the year before, in which he didn't fight. Tyson Fury was removed as well for the same reason, and you'd pretend he wasn't worth anything at all when he came back? All you do is cherry pick stats and move goalposts.

Fury doesn't have 5 top 10 wins. He's got Wilder 3 times, Whyte, and Klitschko, and one of those fights was a draw, and his best one was a decision, and tainted because he was positive for PEDs. In fact, if Wilder is so overrated, why do we even count wins against him at all?

Ruiz has Joseph Parker (loss), AJ (win), AJ (loss), Ortiz (win, but failed to knock him out, which Wilder did twice). We don't know if AJ is a better win than anyone on Wilder's resume because they haven't fought and they have very little common opposition. And AJ couldn't even knock out Jermaine Franklin. It took him 7 rounds to do to Helenius and Breazeale what Wilder did in 1 for both.

And you have yet to answer the question why, if the division is full of bums, the others haven't been able to knock out as many bums as Wilder or defend their title(s) as many times. The answer isn't because they're fighting top competition, aside from AJ. I do think AJ deserves more credit than he's been getting lately, but ALL of them have guys who weren't top 10 that they didn't knock out. The ONLY guy that Wilder didn't knock out is Tyson Fury, the #1 ranked guy in the division. The truth is that you're a hater, and you'll do anything to discredit a guy who has accomplished more than you ever will.

you keep talking about knocking out bums and knock outs like that matters. beating good fighers is what matters and wilder doesnt have much of that. he doesnt even have a good ko ratio against good opposition which you ignore. we are comparing quality of competition here, not how many bums you can knock out, or if wilder knocked out a bum faster than someone else. we arent chasing that red herring

[billeau2]

splitting straws? stating facts is splitting straws now?

You didn't know Stiverne was ranked... Fact. You split the straws when called out claiming that Stiverne was only ranked for the first of two fights... See the split there fuul? If a fighter was ranked, they were ranked... Sure they might then have lost a fight and gone off the list, but Wilder defeated Stiverne who was ranked... Only a fuul saving face says "but but but, Stiverne was only ranked the first fight." Does that mean in sum total Stiverne was 1/2 ranked fighter? Because where I come from if someone is ranked, they are ranked... You got tripped up on your own silly criteria and then started looking for a way out... Didn't let you take it, owned your a s s instead. All together now: If a fighter is ranked for one fight and losses the fight and the ranking, that fighter is/was ____________ Hint: starts with an R.

[crimsonfalcon07]

you keep talking about knocking out bums and knock outs like that matters. beating good fighers is what matters and wilder doesnt have much of that. he doesnt even have a good ko ratio against good opposition which you ignore. we are comparing quality of competition here, not how many bums you can knock out, or if wilder knocked out a bum faster than someone else. we arent chasing that red herring

Ducking the question yet again. Why can't the others accomplish the same thing if the division is just full of bums? You're pathetic.

[dan-b]

Wilder is a product of the alphabet era. The entire time he held that strap, another person (Klitschko) was the real champion and Wilder never fought him. His wins are elevated by virtue of him holding an alphabet title whilst he was doing it, because fans overrate belts.

[HandsofIron]

Because Wilder most likely beats everyone with his ******* right hand except Fury. And it's not because Fury is some great fighter with great skills (Fury is average at best); I've said this before and I'll say it again, Fury beats Wilder everyone time, not because he is better, he's simply too big for Wilder.

Boxing needs at least 2 new heavy weight classes to adjust to all these giants invading the Heavyweight division.