Sonny Liston versus Lennox Lewis who wins?

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Lewis was castigated by the American media. He was pretty much denied any real fame, when he did make it clear he was not going anywhere Larry merchant made sure to bury him after the Vitalie fight. You want parallels? Show me the Larry Holmes era. You cannot because Larry was always seen as a shadow...

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BS. Sanders and Lewis were friends... Vitalie ducked his brother for the same general reasons, where is your shine box?...

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Tubbs, Rahman... I happen to be a big fan of Corrie but Dr Z inflates him to make Vitalie look better and that is obvious. He also tried to get people to fish for a red herring when discussing Sander's ranking. It never really mattered because there are always a plethora of ways to resolve the Lineal,...

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Avoided by fighters like Rahman? Or was Corrie inconsistent? at best?...

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There can be more than one set up to maintain the lineal... Why do people constantly fail to recognize this? Why is this considered "bad"? Lewis was out of the picture until he decided to come back which he didn't. So who was the ma who beat the best? One way to determine that is rankings......

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No question about it, as a heavyweight he has one of the stronger resumes. Definitely top 5 maybe top 3. Ali, Lewis, Frazier? Maybe Holy beats Frazier out? have to think about it but it would not suprise me....

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So where do we disagree here? Your damn right the lineal does not exist in gubbermint! Heredity titles exist in Japan, there are 3 corporations that run the country from one corner while the Empror, given permission to cancel the Samurai runs it from the other corner... Is that a good thing? Rhetorical...

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? And? Lets not belabor the obvious, Ketchel, a great fighter was no Greb (stated on the thread) and this statement is the equivalent of saying "My car mechanic is inferior because he wouldn't work on my Ducati....

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I mean... Just the age difference! That is a clue....

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I actually remember those two fights very well... The geritol is kicking in today! The first fight lewis won easily and was robbed. The second fight was close, and could have been called a draw. Holyfield made a very intelligent critique regarding both fights and I agree with him. he said that...

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If you compare things like ages of opponents, losses, wins, etc IMO Holy does not come in as strong as Lewis, but is close... People never give Lewis the credit for taking out Briggs and Golata among other young lions who at the time were considered very dangerous.

@Margiano does make...

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I don't know about all that "leaving" but padna lewis fought a bevy of young lions when they were able. I tink eras are dialectical, their substance is only that which synthesises them anew into a new era. Lewis' era was not bad, it was a very strong division. But if it makes you feel better?...

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. Please just shoot me Arrrghhhh! (Sam Kinneson voice)....

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Ok so just do so in the post? like: Coverdale? Thanks.

Ahh! Ok I see it!...

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Not frustrated! besides I respect the playa. Just being honest about my own questions here.

The lineal makes sense for business sometimes, often it does not for obvious reasons: More champs more moneeeeey!!! But yes Lineal does become the default it would seem to me. It is a process...

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I picture death a process where I am in a white light room, I feel a great overwhelming sensation of love and connectivness... I hear a voice, "Bill, before departing into a wonderful spirit rhealm I, your Most High always grant an answer to one question... What is your pleasure? "Life after...

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When some of us regard Alphabet soup as bad for boxing, it truly tells half the story. Jack Johnson and Ali tell a story about a government that will aggressively punish those who are perceived as a threat to the status quo. Johnson and Ali were both victims of this government intrusion. It was not...

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My understanding of technology being what it is... How does one do that?...

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Punchers chance? ...

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Andrew Golata
Shannon Briggs
Dave Tua
Mike Tyson
Evander Holyfield
Vitalie Klitsko
Razor Ruddock
Tommy Morrison

Should I go on? Lewis was no hype job... And he beat Evander... twice to those who watch fights....