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  • Not really a fan of Wilder. I do tend to like the Cuban fighters. Wilder has shown proof that he is a devastating puncher. Because that proof has to be ascertained through watching his performance rather than evaluating his record does not negate the fact. It can be verified through his fights with...
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  • No argument with the first sentence. Both Dubois and Parker have gelled and become better fighters. They have done so since facing Joyce. That's just a fact. You can choose to ignore it.

    We don't really know how good Parker is yet. Dubois did legitimately beat Joshua whom has managed to...
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  • Again you're taking a set of circumstances in generalizing them without analyzing the specifics. It won't work lol. You can't do that logically.

    No the only thing that is obvious is your agenda and prop up weak fighters and try to make artificial distinctions with respect to the competition...
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  • Apologies bird song and thanks to iron Dan... I believe the fighter I was confused with confused me because both Anderson and Miller go by the moniker "Big Baby." Early onset dementia lol....
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  • Thanks Dan! Takes a fellow over 50-year-old to possibly understand forgetting names lol....
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  • Ok, I got the name wrong It was the kid from Ohio, I believe it was Bakoles last fight? Hunter is a typical workman like fighter in the division. He actually was fairly competitive against USYK for a bit lol. It shows that in a division with good boxers Bakole would not have it so easy, although I do...
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  • It's so frustrating lol. People are trying to make a case that the competition faced by Joyce is vastly distinct from that face by Ortiz. Then they are not looking at the actual fighters and the actual fights. We see evidence... Ortiz never lost a professional fight until he fought Wilder... It's there...
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  • They brought out the gimp God help us lol. Look at when these fights took place. Look at the fights themselves. Joyce did very well for his limited approach. His career even with the losses is better than Ortiz but he's not the stronger fighter. Zhang is not that good. He throws three or four punches...
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  • If I may dovetail... The discussion wasn't necessarily who had a better career. It was regarding who on a head-to-head basis was a stronger fighter. And people just take his snapshot of each fighter to make that determination.

    Ortiz was a very skilled fighter who came in in his Twilight...
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  • In all their posts the one thing that is never discussed is watching the actual fights. It is assumed that because something happened according to some mechanism that it must be the same.

    So for example, even though Wilder was shot horribly when he fought Zang, it's the exact same process...
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  • So? It was unable to win fights at a certain point. Does it really matter?...
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  • Yes Joyce was exposed... When was the last time he beat a decent fighter?

    Has a lot to do with watching the way a fighter loses... You know tape? Watching the actual fight?

    You come here every once in awhile to vent ****** crap. It's a joke. You're a joke lol....
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  • Jarod Miller the prospect from Ohio lost a fight to Bakole... You can look it up I am sure. It does get confusing because there are two fighters using the moniker "Big Baby" and I believe they both might even have the same last name.

    Wilder certainly did when he fought Fury....
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  • Tucker was one of a gaggle of very talented fighters coming up late 80's early 90's... Pinkleton, Tubbs, Tucker, Etc... Even someone like Witherspoon, though Tim was more of a puncher...

    Foreman would really test Tucker's resolve....
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  • billeau2
    replied to My Opinion on Sonny Liston
    Distinguishing Wisdom from Knowledge is important here! Under no realistic scenario could one consider Tyson "wise." However he is smart and very well studied about boxing history and technique... However he is not well spoken so a lot of this gets lost in translation. For example, Bert Sugar...
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  • Careful... Turner, Holly's trainer idolized Marciano, and there are other Black trainers as well. marciano's name pops up a lot as best heavyweight ever... Not making a judgement, or wagering an opinion of my own, but it is suprising how many feel marciano was exceptional... Including trainers of all...
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  • Sony Liston was illiterate, and showed as a brute, a knuckle dragger... Liston was, alas, very intelligent, and had the type of intelligence that showed in the ring.

    I see intelligent British fighters, intelligent with respect to speaking well, obviously relatively well educated... Men...
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  • Both!!! I assure you my friend.... Both!!...
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  • They are all birds of a feather! The twilight of a weak division where none except Wilder, Fury and Usyk were able to distinguish themselves. Jarred Miller could probably wipe the floor with most of these twilight fighters and he established a pecking order when he lost to Bakole. Now we have to see...
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  • Oh NO sir!!! Whyte is a ranked superior talent! he is a master compared to the likes of Stiverne, Big Baby, Kowanaski, etc!!! Ring Girls ****zine declared him #5!!! (Sarcasm alert).

    Seriously though. The last time Whyte was a able bodied, competative fighter was probably when he fought...
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