How would Joe Louis and Rocky Marciano fare against modern Heavies?

[StarshipTrooper]

Ok... So ThemApples initially denied this... He did so on the basis of what we all agree on (slow feet). Frankly? This "Gotcha" IMO subtracts from the fact that you and ThemApples happen to be two of the more knowlegable posters here. Its kind of like the United States getting into a fight with japan right now while China is throwing shiat at China! We need "all hands on deck" in this section right now..." not only do we have posters like Moneyman and War Loon, but if Joshua manages to win... while I am not saying I claim to be particularly kowleagable... but I leave the site.

Actually Ivich has more in common with Moneyman than he does with Them Apples. The terms "bionic fuckhead" and "size whore" come to mind

[Porky Pig]

Joe Louis: 6′ 1½″, 200 to 210 lbs
Rocky Marciano: 5′ 10½″, 185 lbs
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Lennox Lewis: 6' 5", 245 to 250 lbs
Vitali Klitschko: 6' 7", 245 to 250 lbs
Wladimir Klitschko: 6' 6", 245 lbs
Tyson Fury: 6' 9", 260 lbs

It is how each individual fighter matches up, isn't it? The older boxers who trained down to svelte weight might confuse the big guys with their speed, the way Usyk did to Joshua.

[billeau2]

Actually Ivich has more in common with Moneyman than he does with Them Apples. The terms "bionic ***********head" and "size whore" come to mind

[elfag]

marciano is literally a light heavyweight. he had less than 10 meaningful fights and his top wins were all shot or smaller men. He is the most overrated bum duster in history

[Ivich]

Actually Ivich has more in common with Moneyman than he does with Them Apples. The terms "bionic ***********head" and "size whore" come to mind

Hello **** I thought you had died, oh well we can live in hope!

[Ivich]

It is how each individual fighter matches up, isn't it? The older boxers who trained down to svelte weight might confuse the big guys with their speed, the way Usyk did to Joshua.

Usyk is 6 feet 3,in and 221+ lbs, ie 5 inches taller than Marciano ,36lbs heavier ,has 10 inches of reach on him and is 3 times as skilled.

[Ivich]

Ok... So ThemApples initially denied this... He did so on the basis of what we all agree on (slow feet). Frankly? This "Gotcha" IMO subtracts from the fact that you and ThemApples happen to be two of the more knowlegable posters here. Its kind of like the United States getting into a fight with japan right now while China is throwing shiat at China! We need "all hands on deck" in this section right now..." not only do we have posters like Moneyman and War Loon, but if Joshua manages to win... while I am not saying I claim to be particularly kowleagable... but I leave the site.

This site will not improve while you have ****s like Fartship Trooper.Left Hook,and Queensbury Fool on it. Money Man is the least of your problems,he is just the forums troll.

[Ivich]

ehhh this reply doesn't answer any questions, its a worm hole argument deflects the purpose of my comment. so ill ignore it. re read my post and then respond. I won't respond to posts that put words in my mouth that I never said.

According to me I never said that so don't post this.

My point was old fighters aren't always right, and are frequently wrong actually. Same with trainers. Dundee said Ali was 6 ft 4, Frazier said Listons reach was 95. 2 points explaining what I mean, which I know you understood.

Once again, just watch a damn video - why is that so hard. Louis is REFFING a fight with a man listed at 6 ft 200+ lbs and he is considerably taller. This isn't a picture it's a dude in the ring at the same time, moving around at all angles. He looks about 3-4 inches taller, but I'd be happy with 2.

This is what you posted.
"I have his book too( Joe Louis). In Joe Fraziers book he states Listons reach is 95 and Bonavena was 220+ lbs. in fighters auto biographies they say anything their beat up brains can think of."

If this does not imply Joe Louis was punchy and did not know how tall he was.What exactly does it say?
My source for saying Joe Louis was 6 feet 1 1/2iches tall is Joe Louis himself,and that is corroborated by Richard Bak, Chris Mead,Nat Fleischer,Randy Roberts , Box Rec and the IBHOF Boxing Register.
Show me a verified quote from Dundee saying that Ali was six feet 4? Its in neither of his autobiographies.
I have given my sources, you have provided nothing ,your excuse for not accepting my proof is Louis' brain was beat up and he would say anything he could think of, so its another Left Hook moment .
What's next, you flying into a phoney rage as Left Hook did because you've been asked to prove your statement ?

Louis and Jim Braddock. Braddock was 6 ft 2 in

[them_apples]

It is how each individual fighter matches up, isn't it? The older boxers who trained down to svelte weight might confuse the big guys with their speed, the way Usyk did to Joshua.

Yeah, some good old logic here.

lifting weights, eating and not running doesn’t make you a better fighter. They trained for fights back in the day - now it seems its a body building contest. It makes sense that the heavyweight division has so many overweight fighters, non of them have to make weight and we live in the laziest era of all time with distractions everywhere.

[them_apples]

This is what you posted.
"I have his book too( Joe Louis). In Joe Fraziers book he states Listons reach is 95 and Bonavena was 220+ lbs. in fighters auto biographies they say anything their beat up brains can think of."

If this does not imply Joe Louis was punchy and did not know how tall he was.What exactly does it say?
My source for saying Joe Louis was 6 feet 1 1/2iches tall is Joe Louis himself,and that is corroborated by Richard Bak, Chris Mead,Nat Fleischer,Randy Roberts , Box Rec and the IBHOF Boxing Register.
Show me a verified quote from Dundee saying that Ali was six feet 4? Its in neither of his autobiographies.
I have given my sources, you have provided nothing ,your excuse for not accepting my proof is Louis' brain was beat up and he would say anything he could think of, so its another Left Hook moment .
What's next, you flying into a phoney rage as Left Hook did because you've been asked to prove your statement ?

Louis and Jim Braddock. Braddock was 6 ft 2 in

Its saying thats one source, but those sources vary and aren’t always accurate. And when asking individual fighters they are often wrong. As I posted. You threw in 2 loaded examples in an attempt to refute what I was saying. You made them up.

its a video on YouTube, Dundee says “my guys 6 ft 4” ill try and find it, pretty common video maybe someone will beat me to it.

either braddock is the same height as Foreman or that photo you posted is once again “misleading”

this is so pointless though, clearly size wouldn’t matter - they just trained differently. They trained down in weight and didn’t believe “bolt on muscles” were beneficial. Or coming in fat.


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