How would Joe Louis and Rocky Marciano fare against modern Heavies?

[them_apples]

Usyk is 6 feet 3,in and 221+ lbs, ie 5 inches taller than Marciano ,36lbs heavier ,has 10 inches of reach on him and is 3 times as skilled.

3 times as skilled???

this post would need 3 pages to educate you. “European form” doesn’t translate to being more skillful. Rocky has a whole bag of tricks and st**** Usyk would have never seen before. Marciano would knock Usyk out. Usyk has nothing tricky about him at all, he just keeps his hands up for defense, cant fight inside by any stretch. Once Rocky is inside Usyk would start crying to the ref not knowing what to do. And then get his gumshield smashed in. Usyk is a blown up 220, he’s not Foreman at 220. You would be surprised how small he is.

whats funny is, Usyk may or may not be 221, but he Shouldn’t be. He was a CW which is much closer to his real weight. I bet rocky weighed more in their debuts.

and in this up coming fight Usyk has all the telltale signs of someone hopped up on gear. I wonder if it will help him and I also wonder if Joshua is finished anyways.

[billeau2]

3 times as skilled???

this post would need 3 pages to educate you. “European form” doesn’t translate to being more skillful. Rocky has a whole bag of tricks and st**** Usyk would have never seen before. Marciano would knock Usyk out. Usyk has nothing tricky about him at all, he just keeps his hands up for defense, cant fight inside by any stretch. Once Rocky is inside Usyk would start crying to the ref not knowing what to do. And then get his gumshield smashed in. Usyk is a blown up 220, he’s not Foreman at 220. You would be surprised how small he is.

whats funny is, Usyk may or may not be 221, but he Shouldn’t be. He was a CW which is much closer to his real weight. I bet rocky weighed more in their debuts.

and in this up coming fight Usyk has all the telltale signs of someone hopped up on gear. I wonder if it will help him and I also wonder if Joshua is finished anyways.

Ammy training... Its an interesting development. I believe that many great fighters that came up primarily in the amateur ranks, like the great Cubans for example, and Usyk... benefitted from a property of human nature. When given something sparse, we tend to want to embellish... So, you can go back centuries to when people were cave dwellers and we always had a need to paint on the walls, embellish cooking pottery. The great amateur fighters were taught a basic style that lended itself to creative influences. But at its core the Amy style is very basic and does not encourage one to learn the many skill sets a professional prize fighter was exposed to.

Fighting guys like Charles, Walcott and Moore Rocky had to have chops and many skills... You can see it on tape.

[StarshipTrooper]

marciano is literally a light heavyweight. he had less than 10 meaningful fights and his top wins were all shot or smaller men. He is the most overrated bum duster in history

^^^^^ Now I remember why I had this two braincelled fuckwit ignored in the first place. Back on ignore he goes before he pollutes my screen with any more verbal defecation

[them_apples]

Ammy training... Its an interesting development. I believe that many great fighters that came up primarily in the amateur ranks, like the great Cubans for example, and Usyk... benefitted from a property of human nature. When given something sparse, we tend to want to embellish... So, you can go back centuries to when people were cave dwellers and we always had a need to paint on the walls, embellish cooking pottery. The great amateur fighters were taught a basic style that lended itself to creative influences. But at its core the Amy style is very basic and does not encourage one to learn the many skill sets a professional prize fighter was exposed to.

Fighting guys like Charles, Walcott and Moore Rocky had to have chops and many skills... You can see it on tape.

I thought of this the other day, some of these old styles, lost with time - are like Americas Martial arts. The Mayweather family being one of the last lines with real knowledge of the philly style. I forget the names but apparently 2 guys taught the style, and both with subtle differences, back in the day. I imagine a lot more styles and stories like this as well. Non of it is documented which is sad. Someone needs to go out there and collect it all for the sake of history.

It really is all interesting though, the styles.

I have this notepad on my phone and I jot down things I see from old tapes to see if at least some of this stuff can be brought to the surface. Also old clips of trainers interviews, they sometimes say interesting stuff.

[billeau2]

I thought of this the other day, some of these old styles, lost with time - are like Americas Martial arts. The Mayweather family being one of the last lines with real knowledge of the philly style. I forget the names but apparently 2 guys taught the style, and both with subtle differences, back in the day. I imagine a lot more styles and stories like this as well. Non of it is documented which is sad. Someone needs to go out there and collect it all for the sake of history.

It really is all interesting though, the styles.

I have this notepad on my phone and I jot down things I see from old tapes to see if at least some of this stuff can be brought to the surface. Also old clips of trainers interviews, they sometimes say interesting stuff.

Yeah those are great habits! I have been training in martial arts now over 40 years and whenever I have a new incite I write it down. The regional differences you mention were an incredible asset to the sport. It is lost... as the world has become a global village differences and influences have abated.

[QueensburyRules]

3 times as skilled???

this post would need 3 pages to educate you. “European form” doesn’t translate to being more skillful. Rocky has a whole bag of tricks and st**** Usyk would have never seen before. Marciano would knock Usyk out. Usyk has nothing tricky about him at all, he just keeps his hands up for defense, cant fight inside by any stretch. Once Rocky is inside Usyk would start crying to the ref not knowing what to do. And then get his gumshield smashed in. Usyk is a blown up 220, he’s not Foreman at 220. You would be surprised how small he is.

whats funny is, Usyk may or may not be 221, but he Shouldn’t be. He was a CW which is much closer to his real weight. I bet rocky weighed more in their debuts.

and in this up coming fight Usyk has all the telltale signs of someone hopped up on gear. I wonder if it will help him and I also wonder if Joshua is finished anyways.

- - Don't appear to be aware Usyk is a natural heavy and has fought at that weight since he won Olympic gold. He sports a better natural pro heavy record than Vander, so come fight night he's always gonna be 25-35 lbs heavier not to mention quicker in both hand and feet than Rocky. In Rocky's 6oz gloves, he might even be deadly, literally.

It's like U was born yesterday again today.

[Ivich]

Its saying thats one source, but those sources vary and aren’t always accurate. And when asking individual fighters they are often wrong. As I posted. You threw in 2 loaded examples in an attempt to refute what I was saying. You made them up.

its a video on YouTube, Dundee says “my guys 6 ft 4” ill try and find it, pretty common video maybe someone will beat me to it.

either braddock is the same height as Foreman or that photo you posted is once again “misleading”

this is so pointless though, clearly size wouldn’t matter - they just trained differently. They trained down in weight and didn’t believe “bolt on muscles” were beneficial. Or coming in fat.


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NO! I posted 6 sources including the man in question himself! Your excuse for not believing them is Louis was punchy! Were the other 5 sources punchy too?You're talking nonsense!
Everybody and their Granny knows Jim Braddock was SIX FEET TWO INCHES TALL and the photo of his with that of Louis corresponds to that .Personally I don't care if Dundee said Ali was 10 feet tall its totally irrelevant to Joe Louis' actual height!

[Ivich]

3 times as skilled???

this post would need 3 pages to educate you. “European form” doesn’t translate to being more skillful. Rocky has a whole bag of tricks and st**** Usyk would have never seen before. Marciano would knock Usyk out. Usyk has nothing tricky about him at all, he just keeps his hands up for defense, cant fight inside by any stretch. Once Rocky is inside Usyk would start crying to the ref not knowing what to do. And then get his gumshield smashed in. Usyk is a blown up 220, he’s not Foreman at 220. You would be surprised how small he is.

whats funny is, Usyk may or may not be 221, but he Shouldn’t be. He was a CW which is much closer to his real weight. I bet rocky weighed more in their debuts.

and in this up coming fight Usyk has all the telltale signs of someone hopped up on gear. I wonder if it will help him and I also wonder if Joshua is finished anyways.

Fella you cant educate me on boxing.
You cant educate me on logical debate.
I totally overestimated your mental capacity and wasted much too much time on you. You're just a fan boy, and as such not to be taken seriously

[Ascended]

I thought of this the other day, some of these old styles, lost with time - are like Americas Martial arts. The Mayweather family being one of the last lines with real knowledge of the philly style. I forget the names but apparently 2 guys taught the style, and both with subtle differences, back in the day. I imagine a lot more styles and stories like this as well. Non of it is documented which is sad. Someone needs to go out there and collect it all for the sake of history.

It really is all interesting though, the styles.

I have this notepad on my phone and I jot down things I see from old tapes to see if at least some of this stuff can be brought to the surface. Also old clips of trainers interviews, they sometimes say interesting stuff.

It's nothing to not understand you crazy idiot its video comparing how they fought from then and compare like it's a video comparing ali and louis era anybody with good vision can see Ali's era used more angles and were way smoother in their upper and lower body movement

none of the other stuff you said matters cause they would have to have the advances before the other stuff comes into play so your slow ontop of being crazy

You can come in a gym and say you wanna fight like a louis conn max or a Robinson/dempsey liston ali Frazier they wont teach you those old styles as they were you will be taught similar to those styles but way more advanced at it

So if the people in gym see that that crap wouldn't work that means they know you could be injured fast trying to use it or die trying to use those outdated crap techniques with a way more advanced one you idiot

causes if you crazies were right why is it its nobody who fought as stiff and simple as they did in the dempsey/conn era its nobody who made it to mid card let alone high level who fought like thats nobody ever since those era's that's not a coincidence you idiot so your trolling me does you no good but expose you like I always have even before I talked to you by talking to other crazy idiots like you

So stop the bull you crazy person your the one who cant see and plays act like your blind and make a fighter fight different then he is on video your idiot

You crazy people pick old fighters cause your crazy or have bad vision or acting like you have bad vision or its a combo of all

none of the people you pick have any advances that can be shown on video its all made up in your mind i know its madeup cause I asked you crazy people since last year to prove me wrong by video you refuse to cause it doesn't exist

And yea if you did talk to a coach which you didn't it would make sense him saying people would be scared to get hit figting like that as I explained anybody fighting with those trash outdated style would be injured or die using that with a more advanced fighter to many times but since you didn't cause he would tell you exactly what I told you in a nicer way your lies don't matter

Or if you did talk to him you told him your a fan of those outdated era's so he told you some crap to not hurt your feelings

Those people in louis/dempsey/ eras in-between would all be destroyed by any mid-high 70s-90s fighter they wouldnt even allow it to save the health of those fighters

[Ascended]

No, Rahman is six feet2 and a half inches tall.
McCall six feet 2 inches tall.
Louis was six feet one and a half. and was ko'd by 2 cruisers.


The punch that Rahman kod Lewis with would have laid out Schmeling for a week!

See how that idiot keeps repeating dumb quotes other dummies say it doesnt matter that lennox was dropped when he wasnt in shape

Joe was dropped when he was in shape by trash fighters its no comparison both of those dudes who dropped len was more skilled the. The whole joe era only a idiot uses that fight as its a bad thing