How would Joe Louis and Rocky Marciano fare against modern Heavies?

[billeau2]

I dont have to answer that cause it doesn't change what I said which is fact

You never answer anything... Lets ask Jab about your answer lol. You are a troll with about as much knowledge of boxing as an Eskimo has about refrigerators. Dumbass

[Ascended]

So you make a comment about Liston
"liston that dude wouldn't make it in 90s with that stuff he had trouble with Leotis who wouldn't make pro in 90s either"


I refer to the fact that in boxing parlance Liston was an old man then,and you duck my question about how old was he?
Do you seriously expect to earn any credibility with the modus operandi you adopt in debate?

Well I can name a man who fought like son and he was destroyed by lennox late 80s but you wont give that any care since it wasn't the name sonny as if that would make any difference

What difference does it make when son fought the same way his whole life you already have the answer

[Ascended]

Could Wiltg Chambers play toody basketball, mon.?

Of course not not how he was way to basic but he was gifted he did other sports like tennis good so I could see him adapting

[Ivich]

Well I can name a man who fought like son and he was destroyed by lennox but you wont give that any care since it wasn't the name sonny as if that would make any difference

Why do you talk in obscure riddles that make no sense?

[Ascended]

Why do you talk in obscure riddles that make no sense?

It's not riddles its a complex way of explaining things see what your saying anybody with sense knows what I said makes sense i could put the name and you people would say he wasnt liston yet the man almost fought the same way as sonny and was destroyed

I was told to which is a lie quote thats been going on for years which Is odd and thats Vitaly fought like carnera anybody with good vision can see vit is more advanced then him

[Ivich]

It's not riddles its a complex way of explaining things see what your saying anybody with sense knows what I said makes sense i could put the name and you people would say he wasnt liston yet the man almost fought the same way as sonny and was destroyed

I was told to which is a lie quote thats been going on for years which Is odd and thats Vitaly fought like carnera anybody with good vision can see vit is more advanced then him

THERES NOTHING COMPLEX ABOUT YOU.lol

If you want to name a fighter name him WTF!

[billeau2]

When we look at the "evolution" of sports we have to look at combatives as a hybrid category. There are places where combatives have flourished. One great example would be Brazil. In Brazil there has been active events in all classical forms of wrestling, including Lancenshire, Catch Can, Greco Roman, Wrassling, etc. There has also been Japanese Judo, evolved to a point where it had higher quality teachers and development because while Judo stopped in Japan during the Second World War and directly after, it kept evolving in countries like brazil (Jiu Jitsu) and Russia (Sambo). Then you had brazilian variants of joint locking (Lutte Livre) karate, Boxing and all kinds of cross pollination where people would have matches with few (if any) rules (Vale Tudo).

So despite a nice history of wrestling in the United States, including Hawaii where mixed martial arts took place regularly, Brazilian grappling arts took the combatives world by storm in the mid to late 80's. This is because Brazilians spent money and developed institutions that catered to these MMA type events, consequently when the Gracies came to the States they were, for all practical purposes, professional fighters, competing against amateur fighters. Money talks right? The Gracies were evolved compared to fighters in the states, whom never had the viable traditions and the financial backing to compete in these type of events.

In a few years now? Things changed. They changed considerably. Because of tournaments like the UFC, etc.

My point is twofold: First to show how traditions, sporting and fighting both thrive when given financial resources. Also to make the case that fighters today have many options, talent is more split than ever. Those fighters that do become professional start later, and the coaching network that once predominated in various boxing areas has dwindled considerably. Boxers do not have the resources that the sport/combative once commanded. Under those conditions, why would boxing evolve?

[billeau2]

THERES NOTHING COMPLEX ABOUT YOU.lol

If you want to name a fighter name him WTF!

Moneyman got his name when the Polish mob went bankrupt. He was the "moneyman." The whole racquet was a protection scheme... Moneyman upped the stakes... Told the barber, butcher, the candlestick maker... "Listen you crazy idiots, if you do not accept $20 dollars a week that we give you, we will destroy the joint!" Everyone complied, with no hesitation... they are still trying to figure out what went wrong...

[JAB5239]

You never answer anything... Lets ask Jab about your answer lol. You are a troll with about as much knowledge of boxing as an Eskimo has about refrigerators. Dumbass

Total troll. Refuses to provide a list of 20 greater fighters than Louis and can't reasonably explain the advances in movement and technique. He also cannot see the very real similarities in the styles of Carnere and V. Klitschko.

[Ascended]

Total troll. Refuses to provide a list of 20 greater fighters than Louis and can't reasonably explain the advances in movement and technique. He also cannot see the very real similarities in the styles of Carnere and V. Klitschko.

Wrong the list was my top hw ever and I didnt say I wasnt I said ill get to it and I already explained advances mutiple times your crazy and can't see you know that and been known and no I dont see car and vit similar cause they wasnt anybody with good vision can see vit is more advanced then him having a similar stance doesn't make a person fight like another

And if vit was like you said he never would even make pro he would had been destroyed in the amateurs and gave up boxing