Why Jack Johnson is Not as Great as You We’re Told

[billeau2]

Louisiana has great seafood and restaurants. Had some great gumbo, jambalaya and crawfish down there. I still cant’t find a deli rivaling NYC either. I did find a great pizza and wings place in South Carolina of all places, but they were New Yorkers who migrated down there.

[Dr. Z]

Owned again, last resort is to lie and lie again. Bottom of page 64, you’re favorite Langford authority mentions the book by name. Unfortunate you now consider him a clown because you disagree with him.

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“Langford fights consistently, possesses the punch, knows the game, and can whip them all right now, one after the other,” remarked John L. Sullivan, the first ever heavyweight champion, “Johnson knows this and sidesteps his fellow fighter at every turn of the road.” Langford had asserted his dominance in the sport of boxing, across nearly all weight classes. But he still lacked a title. - John L Sullivan 1909.

[Willie Pep 229]

Someone is exposed for reposting what he likes from Moyle and conveniently disregarding the rest. Watch out for Mcvey, I mean Ivich's alts!

“Langford fights consistently, possesses the punch, knows the game, and can whip them all right now, one after the other,” remarked John L. Sullivan, the first ever heavyweight champion, “Johnson knows on theotherhand isthis instead not a racial syatementthis and sidesteps his fellow fighter at every turn of the road.” Langford had asserted his dominance in the sport of boxing, across nearly all weight classes. But he still lacked a title. - John L Sullivan 1909.

I have a couple of things I would like to say about the John L. article.

The article makes trying to pigeon hole John L.'s attitude on race and simultaneously his feelings towards JJ as HW Champion a bit tricky.

We know he wouldn't cross the color line. So you got to ask yourself, is John L. praising Langford or just using Langford to discredit JJ?

Which of course was very popular 'sport' for the next few years.

On the other hand are we seeing instead not a negative racial attitude on John L.'s part but instead a particular dislike for Johnson. I.e. "I have no problem with a Negro being champion but not this bore." (Not a real quote.)

Or is he just writng a boxing article?

This last thought I fear is just wishful thinking on my part -- I doubt any boxing writer during the JJ years was able to write a racial neutral article, (i.e. pro or con. )

So what's Sullivan up to? I wouldn't want to use this article as proof that the boxing community actually thought Langford could beat JJ.

My cynical nature makes me wonder if they (including the Great John L.) just liked Langford, Sam was a likable man, and just plain hated JJ.

[QueensburyRules]

I have a couple of things I would like to say about the John L. article.

The article makes trying to pigeon hole John L.'s attitude on race and simultaneously his feelings towards JJ as HW Champion a bit tricky.

We know he wouldn't cross the color line. So you got to ask yourself, is John L. praising Langford or just using Langford to discredit JJ?

Which of course was very popular 'sport' for the next few years.

On the other hand are we seeing instead not a negative racial attitude on John L.'s part but instead a particular dislike for Johnson. I.e. "I have no problem with a Negro being champion but not this bore." (Not a real quote.)

Or is he just writng a boxing article?

This last thought I fear is just wishful thinking on my part -- I doubt any boxing writer during the JJ years was able to write a racial neutral article, (i.e. pro or con. )

So what's Sullivan up to? I wouldn't want to use this article as proof that the boxing community actually thought Langford could beat JJ.

My cynical nature makes me wonder if they (including the Great John L.) just liked Langford, Sam was a likable man, and just plain hated JJ.

- - John L quite more advanced in his day than most people of today.

Spent a fair amount of time in his training camp for Jeffries and JJ and picked JJ to win, but not publicly until after the fight when his letter to the NYTimes was opened.

[Dr. Z]

- - John L quite more advanced in his day than most people of today.

Spent a fair amount of time in his training camp for Jeffries and JJ and picked JJ to win, but not publicly until after the fight when his letter to the NYTimes was opened.

Sam Langford and Joe Jeanette also picked Jeffries to win saying he could beat Johnson with a ball and chin on his leg, or something close to that. Jeffries had not fought is six years, and ballooned up to 300+ LBS. They counting on the man the saw and knew to show up, not the shell of a man who did.

[QueensburyRules]

Sam Langford and Joe Jeanette also picked Jeffries to win saying he could beat Johnson with a ball and chin on his leg, or something close to that. Jeffries had not fought is six years, and ballooned up to 300+ LBS. They counting on the man the saw and knew to show up, not the shell of a man who did.

- - Wish I could've been his nutritionist. Jeffries undertook that himself where getting down to prime fighting weight was the imperative, basically on a diet a canary would expire on.

In short, he cannibalized himself.

I'd have him come in 250+ where he could walk JJ around using his natural size and strength.

[Ivich]

Do you have the hard cover or paperback? Mine is the paperback. It’s on page 64. Don’t miss your flight on my account, wouldn’t want you to miss your secret squirrel mason’s meeting.

Took my Wife away for a few days ,got back tonight.
You're a nasty little **** on the quiet arent you.

[Ivich]

Sam Langford and Joe Jeanette also picked Jeffries to win saying he could beat Johnson with a ball and chin on his leg, or something close to that. Jeffries had not fought is six years, and ballooned up to 300+ LBS. They counting on the man the saw and knew to show up, not the shell of a man who did.

Nice show of black solidarity from Sam and Joe!
When Johnson picked Schmeling to beat Louis you said he was a traitor to his race, on another forum. Jeffries never scaled 300lbs ,and he was down to weight a year before their fight.
Langford visited Jeffries training camp before he made his prediction.

[Ivich]

- - Wish I could've been his nutritionist. Jeffries undertook that himself where getting down to prime fighting weight was the imperative, basically on a diet a canary would expire on.

In short, he cannibalized himself.

I'd have him come in 250+ where he could walk JJ around using his natural size and strength.

Why have him come in heavier than he ever fought at? Johnson matched Jeffries for strength in the early rounds and he predicted he would.
Jeffries was down to 235lbs in July 1909 he had over a year to get in shape.

[Ivich]

I have a couple of things I would like to say about the John L. article.

The article makes trying to pigeon hole John L.'s attitude on race and simultaneously his feelings towards JJ as HW Champion a bit tricky.

We know he wouldn't cross the color line. So you got to ask yourself, is John L. praising Langford or just using Langford to discredit JJ?

Which of course was very popular 'sport' for the next few years.

On the other hand are we seeing instead not a negative racial attitude on John L.'s part but instead a particular dislike for Johnson. I.e. "I have no problem with a Negro being champion but not this bore." (Not a real quote.)

Or is he just writng a boxing article?

This last thought I fear is just wishful thinking on my part -- I doubt any boxing writer during the JJ years was able to write a racial neutral article, (i.e. pro or con. )

So what's Sullivan up to? I wouldn't want to use this article as proof that the boxing community actually thought Langford could beat JJ.

My cynical nature makes me wonder if they (including the Great John L.) just liked Langford, Sam was a likable man, and just plain hated JJ.

Sullivan said Langford was too small to ever beat Johnson