Why Jack Johnson is Not as Great as You We’re Told

[JAB5239]

Why have him come in heavier than he ever fought at? Johnson matched Jeffries for strength in the early rounds and he predicted he would.

I agree that's a bad strategy. It also would have hurt Jeff's stamina

[Ivich]

Do you have the hard cover or paperback? Mine is the paperback. It’s on page 64. Don’t miss your flight on my account, wouldn’t want you to miss your secret squirrel mason’s meeting.

Hard back, all it has on page 64 is a rhyming couplet and there is no reference to Mes Combats in the index. Your tag partner is getting hysterical screaming liar! liar ! liar! I can inform you now he has no books on these subjects due in no small part because he cannot read above the level of a ******ed chimp!

[Ivich]

Owned again, last resort is to lie and lie again. Bottom of page 64, you’re favorite Langford authority mentions the book by name. Unfortunate you now consider him a clown because you disagree with him.

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SOURCE AND DATE UNKOWN! lol

[Ivich]

Some links of interest on the sexual deviance among British aristoc****/high society.


Cecil Rhodes and His Warmongering Buggery Hegemony
https://www.winterwatch.net/2021/03/...gery-hegemony/

Pedophilia a Requirement for UK Ruling Elite
https://www.winterwatch.net/2022/06/...-ruling-elite/

What exactly have these unsubstantiated stories to do with Free Masonry?

[Ivich]

You’re not helping their or your cause. Today’s woke mob wants to cancel Washington and Lincoln as racists. FDR and LBJ were awful. LBJ another hateful racist. Truman killed 250K innocent Japanese. Lincoln was one of only a few presidents to declare Marshall law. Try not to rush the ****pit in a fit of rage when you read my posts.

LBJ got the ground breaking1964 Civil Rights Act through. Rightly or wrongly Truman dropped the bombs on Japan to save GI's lives.
FDR is the longest serving president and there's a good reason for that. Lincoln saved the Union and freed the ****** he is considered a great man

I'm not trying to help anyone's cause least of all my own I've been open that I am a Mason and quite honestly, I couldn't give a monkey's **** what anyone else thinks about it!

[GhostofDempsey]

SOURCE AND DATE UNKOWN! lol

Source and date unknown is from a quote further up the page. Stop grabbing for straws. It was so cordial and peaceful around here these last couple of days.

[Willie Pep 229]

I agree that's a bad strategy. It also would have hurt Jeff's stamina

I don't! 20-20 hindsight.

What he did do, didn't work so you got to at least think through the other options.

IMO The problem with Jeffries coming in at 250+ (certainly at some level it would have affected his stamina, no doubt) was that the conventional wisdom of the day (and often today) would have perceived him as 'out-of-shape' and unprepared.

Jeffries wouldn't have known how to use the weight to his advantage, and more importantly would likely have believed the negative things being said of his weight.

But, and this is a big BUT -- look what Big George showed us! When Foreman began his comeback everyone was saying too big, too slow, too fat. He kept saying no this is where I want to be.

He had the confidence in himself to defy the the CW - learned to relax in the ring, and used his size to great advantage. All when the experts said he couldn't.

In theory Jeffries could have done the same, but mentally those around him would have convinced him he wasn't ready.

In short the larger size and the strength that went with the 250 lbs plus may well have neutralized JJ's clinching/in-fighting, but mentally it was important to Jeffries that he cut down to the fighting weight of his youth.

[JAB5239]

I don't! 20-20 hindsight.

What he did do, didn't work so you got to at least think through the other options.

IMO The problem with Jeffries coming in at 250+ (certainly at some level it would have affected his stamina, no doubt) was that the conventional wisdom of the day (and often today) would have perceived him as 'out-of-shape' and unprepared.

Jeffries wouldn't have known how to use the weight to his advantage, and more importantly would likely have believed the negative things being said of his weight.

But, and this is a big BUT -- look what Big George showed us! When Foreman began his comeback everyone was saying too big, too slow, too fat. He kept saying no this is where I want to be.

He had the confidence in himself to defy the the CW - learned to relax in the ring, and used his size to great advantage. All when the experts said he couldn't.

In theory Jeffries could have done the same, but mentally those around him would have convinced him he wasn't ready.

In short the larger size and the strength that went with the 250 lbs plus may well have neutralized JJ's clinching/in-fighting, but mentally it was important to Jeffries that he cut down to the fighting weight of his youth.

Good well thought out post!!

[Ivich]

I don't! 20-20 hindsight.

What he did do, didn't work so you got to at least think through the other options.

IMO The problem with Jeffries coming in at 250+ (certainly at some level it would have affected his stamina, no doubt) was that the conventional wisdom of the day (and often today) would have perceived him as 'out-of-shape' and unprepared.

Jeffries wouldn't have known how to use the weight to his advantage, and more importantly would likely have believed the negative things being said of his weight.

But, and this is a big BUT -- look what Big George showed us! When Foreman began his comeback everyone was saying too big, too slow, too fat. He kept saying no this is where I want to be.

He had the confidence in himself to defy the the CW - learned to relax in the ring, and used his size to great advantage. All when the experts said he couldn't.

In theory Jeffries could have done the same, but mentally those around him would have convinced him he wasn't ready.

In short the larger size and the strength that went with the 250 lbs plus may well have neutralized JJ's clinching/in-fighting, but mentally it was important to Jeffries that he cut down to the fighting weight of his youth.

But he didnt get down to the fighting weight of his youth.
He won the title scaling 206lbs and was 227lbs for Johnson so he added 11lbs.

[Willie Pep 229]

But he didnt get down to the fighting weight of his youth.
He won the title scaling 206lbs and was 227lbs for Johnson so he added 11lbs.

Yes of course but 227 is still emotionally better for him than to face Johnson at 265 lbs.

I don't think there was any weight that would have left Jeffries as confident as he was six years prior.