Was James j jeffries one of the greatest?

[travestyny]

Does one actually think the the word "prime" was part of 1910 Jeffries' vocabulary? Was the word 'prime' even part of the boxing lexicon back then?

The Wenatchee Daily World was owned by the Brothers Wood, Rufus and Ralph.

It was a Progressive 'Bull Moose' publication championing liberal ideals.

I still believe Jeffries may very well have said it that night, but I question the full legitimacy of that quote.

Definitely part of the lexicon in 1910, so I don't see why "prime" wouldn't be in his vocabulary. I've got quotations from Corbett, Langford, and Ketchel talking about Jefferies' "prime" in 1910.

Tacoma Times Jan. 1910

[QueensburyRules]

First of all, JJ made it clear he would duck Johnson before this fight.


Secondly, here's one account that described Johnson coming out clean and Hart coming out looking like "the walls of a [slaughterhouse]"

- - "Marvin Hart was awarded the decision over Jack Johnson in a twenty-round contest last night that went the limit, but he came far from demonstrating that he is qualified to meet Jim Jeffries. Hart was game and kept boring into the big colored man all through the fight. Johnson's much-vaunted cleverness did not count for much. While he was able to hit Hart frequently, his blows did not seem to damage the white man from Kentucky. The sympathies of the large crowd were openly with Hart, who was at the short end in the betting, and every lead he made at Johnson, whether he landed or not, was greeted with cheers. Hart managed to deal the only effective blow in the eleventh round, when he landed a right swing on Johnson's jaw that staggered the black man and nearly knocked him over. Referee Greggains stated that he gave the decision to Hart, because all through the fight Hart did all the forcing and leading. According to Greggains, if Hart had not pursued his tactics there would have been no fight, as Johnson merely contented himself with countering. Hart's face was battered to a pulp, but Johnson's blows did not seem to have much sting to them. Johnson did a great deal of uppercutting, but Hart covered up and the blows did not seem to hurt him." (Washington Post)

[travestyny]

- - "Marvin Hart was awarded the decision over Jack Johnson in a twenty-round contest last night that went the limit, but he came far from demonstrating that he is qualified to meet Jim Jeffries. Hart was game and kept boring into the big colored man all through the fight. Johnson's much-vaunted cleverness did not count for much. While he was able to hit Hart frequently, his blows did not seem to damage the white man from Kentucky. The sympathies of the large crowd were openly with Hart, who was at the short end in the betting, and every lead he made at Johnson, whether he landed or not, was greeted with cheers. Hart managed to deal the only effective blow in the eleventh round, when he landed a right swing on Johnson's jaw that staggered the black man and nearly knocked him over. Referee Greggains stated that he gave the decision to Hart, because all through the fight Hart did all the forcing and leading. According to Greggains, if Hart had not pursued his tactics there would have been no fight, as Johnson merely contented himself with countering. Hart's face was battered to a pulp, but Johnson's blows did not seem to have much sting to them. Johnson did a great deal of uppercutting, but Hart covered up and the blows did not seem to hurt him." (Washington Post)

Seems pretty strange to admit his face was battered to a pulp but the punches had no effect. They were effective enough to batter his face to a pulp. lol.

It seems to me the referee, for whatever reason, was scoring on aggression, but not effective aggression.

[JAB5239]

Seems pretty strange to admit his face was battered to a pulp but the punches had no effect. They were effective enough to batter his face to a pulp. lol.

It seems to me the referee, for whatever reason, was scoring on aggression, but not effective aggression.

Seems pretty strange Hart insisted on Greggains as the ref and his criteria for winning was ineffective aggression. Shady goings on there were.

[Willie Pep 229]

Seems pretty strange Hart insisted on Greggains as the ref and his criteria for winning was ineffective aggression. Shady goings on there were.

Insisting on a referee? Isn't that just conjecture?

[Willie Pep 229]

Seems pretty strange Hart insisted on Greggains as the ref and his criteria for winning was ineffective aggression. Shady goings on there were.

One paper says no effect the other effect.

You chose the newspaper that fit your agenda.

This is like taking Fox News' opinion of an event over CNN's opinion of the same event.

It only serves to expose your bias. It doesn't get you anywhere near the truth.

Seriously this very same nonsense is alive all around you, at this moment. Why would you take the Sporting News over the Post? Do you know anything about either of these papers in 1908?

[QueensburyRules]

Seems pretty strange to admit his face was battered to a pulp but the punches had no effect. They were effective enough to batter his face to a pulp. lol.

It seems to me the referee, for whatever reason, was scoring on aggression, but not effective aggression.

- - JJohson was an underperformer even as champ. Jeannette, Wills, Langford and McVey had fans, not JJohnson. He lucked into Jeffries being lured back after 6 yrs of Blubbered Living because of the record purse being offered.

Unfortunately Jeff ******ly tried to get back at his fighting weight on a birdseed diet and ended dead at that weight and lack of nutrition and the rest history. The fact will always remain that neither he nor Hart qualified themselves for his title defense as his much better results against common fighters who often made Johnson look like the stinker he was when not knocking him out...yeah

[travestyny]

- - JJohson was an underperformer even as champ. Jeannette, Wills, Langford and McVey had fans, not JJohnson. He lucked into Jeffries being lured back after 6 yrs of Blubbered Living because of the record purse being offered.

Unfortunately Jeff ******ly tried to get back at his fighting weight on a birdseed diet and ended dead at that weight and lack of nutrition and the rest history. The fact will always remain that neither he nor Hart qualified themselves for his title defense as his much better results against common fighters who often made Johnson look like the stinker he was when not knocking him out...yeah

Unfortunately for you, Jeffries admit he could never have beaten Johnson.

There is a reason he ducked him from the beginning.

[QueensburyRules]

Unfortunately for you, Jeffries admit he could never have beaten Johnson.

There is a reason he ducked him from the beginning.

- - Jeffries had enough class to try and alleviate the Rioting that broke out after the fight.

A similar thing in reverse broke out when Schmeling first beat Louis. I had a uncle who delivered newpapers to the black community on his bicycle and there was a whole gang who had been searching for whiteys and he was it, but being so young and obviously in service to the black community, they let him go. That's just one person in one community.

[travestyny]

- - Jeffries had enough class to try and alleviate the Rioting that broke out after the fight.

A similar thing in reverse broke out when Schmeling first beat Louis. I had a uncle who delivered newpapers to the black community on his bicycle and there was a whole gang who had been searching for whiteys and he was it, but being so young and obviously in service to the black community, they let him go. That's just one person in one community.

I've seen about 3 different posters at some point mention this same exact bit of family history. So either you are all the same person, or you all ran with a lie you picked up from each other.

Any reports of riots or gangs of roving Black mobs beating up White people that you can point to for concrete evidence of this?