Was James j jeffries one of the greatest?

[Willie Pep 229]

- - Little Tommy Burns really took it to him so badly he spent a large spell Hugging Tommy because he loved him so much he didn't really want to fight Tommy but rather stink his way to a title...

Johnson was always a grabber. But back then all fighters were grabbers. Black and white.

[Willie Pep 229]

This is a what Jeffries said in detail.


“I lost my fight this afternoon because I did not have the snap of youth I used to have. I believed in my own heart that all the old-time dash was there, but when I started to execute, the speed and the youthful steam were lacking. The things I used to do were impossible… I guess it’s all my own fault. I was getting along nicely and living peacefully on my alfalfa farm, but when they started calling for me and mentioning me as the ‘white man’s hope,’ I guess my pride got the better of my good judgment.”


Here is a man who had not fought in 6 years, was old, and had to lose 80 pounds to get into shape. Are you aware of this? Those are the primary reasons.


The actual result under those circumstances, a 15 round corner stoppage mens nothing. I doubt you have seen the majority of the fight. No heavyweight, not even Ali would have done well under his circumstances.

Does one actually think the the word "prime" was part of 1910 Jeffries' vocabulary? Was the word 'prime' even part of the boxing lexicon back then?

The Wenatchee Daily World was owned by the Brothers Wood, Rufus and Ralph.

It was a Progressive 'Bull Moose' publication championing liberal ideals.

I still believe Jeffries may very well have said it that night, but I question the full legitimacy of that quote.

[Dr Z]

This is a what Jeffries said in detail.


“I lost my fight this afternoon because I did not have the snap of youth I used to have. I believed in my own heart that all the old-time dash was there, but when I started to execute, the speed and the youthful steam were lacking. The things I used to do were impossible… I guess it’s all my own fault. I was getting along nicely and living peacefully on my alfalfa farm, but when they started calling for me and mentioning me as the ‘white man’s hope,’ I guess my pride got the better of my good judgment.”


Here is a man who had not fought in 6 years, was old, and had to lose 80 pounds to get into shape. Are you aware of this? Those are the primary reasons.


The actual result under those circumstances, a 15 round corner stoppage mens nothing. I doubt you have seen the majority of the fight. No heavyweight, not even Ali would have done well under his circumstances.

That is the truth and those are the facts.

[travestyny]

This is a what Jeffries said in detail.


“I lost my fight this afternoon because I did not have the snap of youth I used to have. I believed in my own heart that all the old-time dash was there, but when I started to execute, the speed and the youthful steam were lacking. The things I used to do were impossible… I guess it’s all my own fault. I was getting along nicely and living peacefully on my alfalfa farm, but when they started calling for me and mentioning me as the ‘white man’s hope,’ I guess my pride got the better of my good judgment.”


Here is a man who had not fought in 6 years, was old, and had to lose 80 pounds to get into shape. Are you aware of this? Those are the primary reasons.


The actual result under those circumstances, a 15 round corner stoppage mens nothing. I doubt you have seen the majority of the fight. No heavyweight, not even Ali would have done well under his circumstances.


That is the truth and those are the facts.

And it’s also a fact that he said he could have never beat Johnson. A very wise assessment

[QueensburyRules]

And it’s also a fact that he said he could have never beat Johnson. A very wise assessment

- - Well, Johnson could never beat Marvin Hart which is why Jeff retired because neither were worth a title challenge then...yeah!!!

[travestyny]

- - Well, Johnson could never beat Marvin Hart which is why Jeff retired because neither were worth a title challenge then...yeah!!!

From what I recall that fight was a robbery.
But no matter. He didn’t have to beat Hart. He beat the tar out of Jeffries instead.

[QueensburyRules]

From what I recall that fight was a robbery.
But no matter. He didn’t have to beat Hart. He beat the tar out of Jeffries instead.

- - Only robbery was that massive blank slate in your noggin. Ref gave it to Hart because he was the only one trying to fight.

JJ was busy stinking in spite of ref warnings to fight.

[travestyny]

- - Only robbery was that massive blank slate in your noggin. Ref gave it to Hart because he was the only one trying to fight.

JJ was busy stinking in spite of ref warnings to fight.

First of all, JJ made it clear he would duck Johnson before this fight.


Secondly, here's one account that described Johnson coming out clean and Hart coming out looking like "the walls of a [slaughterhouse]"

[JAB5239]

Here is a question. Why did Hart dismiss two other refs that were offered for the fight and insisit on Greggains? And why was Greggains sole criteria for judging the fight aggression? Johnson boxed Hart's ears off, bloodied him and battered him only to lose a decision because he didn't attack but let Hart come to him. This was always the way Johnson fought and was very effective for him. Personally I think there was something more going on here, but that's just my opinion and nothing I can prove at this point.

[solidman]

Jack johnson was robbed of being champion for 10 years.